AFTERGLOW
Nov 8 2005, 09:54 PM
First let me say to all who have served: thank you!!!
Sandra has asked all vets and active duty folks to post a story or something military for Veteran’s Day. I couldn’t think of any good stories so I have selected one of the eleven duty stations I had the privilege of serving in during my Navy career. It is one of the good ones because all of the players were still alive at the end of the story. There is even a touch of the humor that most of you have come to expect from me.
After a three ship back-to-back tour, I was rewarded with a real feather-in-my-hat assignment. The Navy sent me to Naval Ship Research And Development Center, Acoustic Research Detachment; Bayview, Idaho. My assigned duties were that of Officer-In-Charge, and Engineering Research Program Manager. (That second part scared the hell out of me because up to this point my time in the Navy -other than when I was placed in charge of the at-sea recovery for the Apallo-16, -17, and Skylab-2 manned space missions- I had been an operational sailor.) Anyway, I tackled this job the same way I had all of the rest of the assignments I had been given… I went into it with all that I had, and did the best job I could do.
Bayview is nestled in at the South West end of Lake Pend Oreille, in Farragut State Park, about 30-miles North of Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. It truly is one of the most beautiful places I have seen in our great country.
Back to the job: the reason for being there, what we did and why we did it, and the equipment we had to do it with. Our command mission was to research, develop, test and evaluate different coatings for submarines with an end result being the best acoustic signature possible for the submarine; simply put, give them the ability to hide from the enemy.
We had a variety of support floating-platforms to conduct our research from, and two one-quarter-scale submarines. One was a 688-class, and the other was a Las Angeles-class… The various coatings would be applied to each, and they would be hauled down to 700 to 750 feet below the lake’s surface, and then released. After they were released, we would do telemetry and flow-tone recordings during their flight back to the surface. We did many other projects too; some included testing of different sonar-domes, and engineering-plant noise reduction.
In addition to conducting the research required by our mission, we were also host to another research command, and we had a mutual aide agreement in place where we provided all of the equipment for fire fighting (trucks, etc.), and the town of Bayview provided volunteer fire-fighters. We additionally provided the surrounding area with ambulance services… The fire protection and ambulance service sort of eased the pain-and-resentment felt by many of the local citizens because we took up so much of the shore-line that could have been used for resorts.
All of the time that I was there, was not taken up by job, job, job… I got to do quite a bit of hunting and fishing too. The setting of my office was with my office at the end of the main building (the part that extended out over the water). I had a very large picture window that would slide open. My secretary’s office was contiguous to mine, so we could communicate with one-another.
This brings me to one of the more humorous part of my time there. During duck-hunting season I would bring one of my shot-guns into the office so I could just hop in my boat after work, and go hunting. One day the ducks decided to make their afternoon flight into the bay straight at my office. (Now remember these two very important elements; my secretary’s office was right next to mine, and my big picture window opened up to the lake.) Me being who I am, I see ducks and get this just-can’t-resist-it-feeling, so I opened my window, took aim and shot a duck. Myself, I thought this was fine, but my secretary apparently didn’t share my feelings because she let out an ear piercing scream, and at the same time wet her pants. I won’t say what she said to me, but it wasn’t real warm and loving…
Well, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
Joe e
flydangler
Nov 8 2005, 10:53 PM
Here's a nice little note 'bout Veteran's Day:
ALMAR 054/05 Date signed: 11/07/2005 MARADMIN Number: 054/05
Subject: VETERANS DAY MESSAGE FROM THE COMMANDANT OF THE MARINE CORPS
R 070030Z NOV 05
FM CMC WASHINGTON DC(UC)
UNCLASSIFIED//
ALMAR 054/05
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC CMC//
SUBJ/VETERANS DAY MESSAGE FROM THE COMMANDANT OF THE MARINE CORPS//
POC/SGT K. PTAK/ADMIN CHIEF/CMC STAFF GROUP/-/TEL:(703) 614-2326
/EMAIL:PTAKKK@HQMC.USMC.MIL//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/1. ORIGINALLY COMMEMORATED AS ARMISTICE DAY TO MARK
THE CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES KNOWN AS "THE GREAT WAR," VETERANS DAY
IS A CELEBRATION OF THE SERVICE AND SELFLESSNESS OF OUR NATION'S
VETERANS. THE TITLE OF VETERAN IS A TERM OF GREAT RESPECT DUE TO THE
PATRIOTISM, WILLINGNESS TO SERVE, AND DEDICATION TO A LARGER CAUSE
DISPLAYED BY THOSE WHO HAVE WORN THE CLOTH OF THE NATION THROUGHOUT
OUR HISTORY. WHETHER SERVING FOR A FEW YEARS OR FOR MANY, THESE MEN
AND WOMEN HAVE GARNERED THE ENDURING SUPPORT OF A GRATEFUL NATION.
OUR WARS HAVE TAKEN SOME OF OUR FINEST COUNTRYMEN IN THE HEYDAY OF
THEIR LIVES, AND IT IS RIGHT THAT WE REFLECT ON THEIR SACRIFICES
THIS DAY.
2. WE COME TO THIS VETERANS DAY A MARINE CORPS AT WAR. ALONG WITH
OUR SISTER SERVICES, WE CONTINUE TO NOBLY MEET THE LATEST CHALLENGE
TO THE FREEDOMS WE AS AMERICANS HOLD DEAR. JUST AS OUR FOREFATHERS
DID, MARINES TODAY ARE SETTING ASIDE THEIR INTERESTS, COMFORTS, AND
WELL-BEING TO SAFEGUARD THE SAME FOR OUR FELLOW AMERICANS AND
OTHERS. STANDING VIGILANTLY AROUND THE GLOBE TO THWART THOSE WHO
WOULD VISIT FURTHER VIOLENCE ON OUR HOMELAND, WE HAVE ALSO SHOWN
UNRIVALED BENEVOLENCE AND COMPASSION TO OTHERS WHO LONG FOR LIBERTY.
OUR HERITAGE IS ONE OF HELPING TO BRING FREEDOM TO MILLIONS AROUND
THE WORLD, AND WE CONTINUE THIS TRADITION TODAY AS WE PROSECUTE THE
GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR.
3. AS WE PAUSE TO COMMEMORATE THIS VETERANS DAY, KEEP IN MIND THE
MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO HAVE SERVED IN OUR ARMED FORCES. KNOW THAT
YOUR SERVICE IS A SOURCE OF GREAT PRIDE TO OUR NATION, AND I ASK YOU
CONTINUE YOUR VALIANT EFFORTS TO TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER. SEMPER
FIDELIS, M. W. HAGEE, GENERAL, U.S. MARINE CORPS, COMMANDANT OF THE
MARINE CORPS.//
flydangler
Nov 9 2005, 05:08 AM
"Two little words that mean a lot: Thank you." (Author unknown)
Remember it is the soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet,
Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,
Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer,
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag,
Who serves under the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.
-- Author unknown
Indianhead
Nov 9 2005, 06:34 AM
A bitter-sweet holiday to this old man...and as usual I'll tell y'all why.
During my comfortable (except for the bitter cold) tour in Germany
I was about to take my first leave from the U.S. Army- a month to
travel to Madrid, Spain and surrounding areas. I climbed into my un-registered VW bug with a pocket mull of marcs and a dufflebag with all (three changes) of my civilian clothes. I was headed to the Bamburg, Germany Bonhoff (train station) to pile into a coach and ride south to the land of cave drawings, leather and
Amontillado. It was mid August and the weather was beautiful.
As I drove past Battalion HQ the battalion clerk ran up to the car and flagged me down. He told me I had been leveed (given orders) for Vietnam and handed me
the orders. He pointed out I could take my leave in Europe or back at home.
I drove back to my 4th Armored Division barracks and requested stateside leave.
During my stay home I met and loved a lovely young women and took a walk
down the railroad tracks next to our homestead with my dad, a WWII Army
Air Corps pilot. The lady and I knew we'd probably never see each other again -
I didn't want any relationships at the time, but then I told my dad I didn't
know if I was going to Canada or Vietnam. He suprised me by not acting surprised,
he knew when I was drafted I was against the war. He said I'd know what to do when the time came and added, "Remember if you go people will have to listen to what you say about the war. If you don't, nobody will care."
Well after a night in Gethsemany on a top bunk at the transit barracks at
Ft. Lewis (Washington) we flew to Cham Ran Bay. The rest are war stories.
To this day I believe I did the correct thing...because I love this God damned country. But every time I hear of another guy being called up to Iraq I think
of that top bunk...these extensive prayers...and that surrender to family and
regional tradition. I pray that beyond the parades, beyond the thanks,
we consider why we are making new combat vets, and casualties. Simply
put we should now do our duty as civilians to make sure we try to keep
this country - our homeland - as correct as possible and be sure that
new vets are draped in honor, rather than second thoughts, and bitter-sweet
Veterans Days to come.
Peace
AFTERGLOW
Nov 9 2005, 07:12 AM
Hug a veteran today! No matter how, or where you may have served, each and every one of you deserves our thanks... joe e
Marine
Nov 9 2005, 07:18 AM
My thoughts on this Veteran's day drift to a day in October of 1983. It was a day for which Veteran's day was created, 23 October, 1983.
The day was just beginning, at 0620 just as they were getting up for another day a Yellow Mercedes truck appeared. The driver of that truck accelerated and crashed through a barbed-wire fence into the compound parking lot, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate, and barreled into the lobby of the Marine headquarters building. The Marine sentries at the gate had loaded pistols but were not equipped with M-16's, and therefore were not able to stop the driver even though they shot at him. According to one Marine, the driver was smiling as he sped past him.
The resulting explosion was the largest non-nuclear explosion that had ever been detonated on the face of the Earth, it was equal in force to between 15,000 and 21,000 pounds of TNT.
All the windows at the airport control tower, half a mile away, shattered. A crater eight feet deep was carved into the earth, and 15 feet of rubble was all that remained of the four-story Marine barracks.
"The force of the explosion ripped the building from its foundation. The building then imploded upon itself," read a Defense Department report on the attack. "Almost all the occupants were crushed or trapped inside the wreckage."
The death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel, and 3 Army soldiers.

"Those who fail to study their history and learn from its lessons are destined to repeat it."I still get very emotional when the aniversary of this passes and they are the one's I think of when I think of Veteran's Day or Memorial Day, they gave it all. I lost some very dear friends in this event.
AFTERGLOW
Nov 9 2005, 07:44 AM
The Origins of Veterans Day
In 1921, an unknown World War I American soldier was buried in Arlington National Cemetery. This site, on a hillside overlooking the Potomac River and the city of Washington, D.C., became the focal point of reverence for America’s veterans.
Similar ceremonies occurred earlier in England and France, where an unknown soldier was buried in each nation’s highest place of honor (in England, Westminster Abbey; in France, the Arc de Triomphe). These memorial gestures all took place on November 11, giving universal recognition to the celebrated ending of World War I fighting at 11 a.m., November 11, 1918 (the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month). The day became known as “Armistice Day.”
Armistice Day officially received its name in America in 1926 through a Congressional resolution. It became a national holiday 12 years later by similar Congressional action. If the idealistic hope had been realized that World War I was “the War to end all wars,” November 11 might still be called Armistice Day. But only a few years after the holiday was proclaimed, war broke out in Europe . Sixteen and one-half million Americans took part. Four hundred seven thousand of them died in service, more than 292,000 in battle.
Armistice Day Changed To Honor All Veterans
The first celebration using the term Veterans Day occurred in Birmingham , Alabama , in 1947. Raymond Weeks, a World War II veteran, organized "National Veterans Day," which included a parade and other festivities, to honor all veterans. The event was held on November 11, then designated Armistice Day. Later, U.S. Representative Edward Rees of Kansas proposed a bill that would change Armistice Day to Veterans Day. In 1954, Congress passed the bill that President Eisenhower signed proclaiming November 11 as Veterans Day. Raymond Weeks received the Presidential Citizens Medal from President Reagan in November 1982. Weeks' local parade and ceremonies are now an annual event celebrated nationwide.
On Memorial Day 1958, two more unidentified American war dead were brought from overseas and interred in the plaza beside the unknown soldier of World War I. One was killed in World War II, the other in the Korean War. In 1984, an unknown serviceman from the Vietnam War was placed alongside the others. The remains from Vietnam were exhumed May 14, 1998 , identified as Air Force 1st Lt. Michael Joseph Blassie, and removed for burial. To honor these men, symbolic of all Americans who gave their lives in all wars, an Army honor guard, the 3rd U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard), keeps day and night vigil.
A law passed in 1968 changed the national commemoration of Veterans Day to the fourth Monday in October. It soon became apparent, however, that November 11 was a date of historic significance to many Americans. Therefore, in 1978 Congress returned the observance to its traditional date.
National Ceremonies Held at Arlington National Cemetery
The focal point for official, national ceremonies for Veterans Day continues to be the memorial amphitheater built around the Tomb of the Unknowns. At 11 a.m. on November 11, a combined color guard representing all military services executes “Present Arms” at the tomb. The nation’s tribute to its war dead is symbolized by the laying of a presidential wreath. The bugler plays “taps.” The rest of the ceremony takes place in the amphitheater.
Veterans Day ceremonies at Arlington and elsewhere are coordinated by the President’s Veterans Day National Committee. Chaired by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, the committee represents national veterans organizations.
Governors of many states and U.S. territories appoint Veterans Day chairpersons who, in cooperation with the National Committee and the Department of Defense, arrange and promote local ceremonies.
Mac2
Nov 9 2005, 04:47 PM
To all who served with the greatest of respect and love:
"If you are able, save for them a place inside of you and save one backward glance when you are leaving for the places they can no longer go.
Be not ashamed to say you loved them, though you may or may not have always. Take what they have taught you with their dying and keep it with your own.
And in that time when men decide and feel safe to call the war insane, take one moment to embrace those gentle heroes you left behind."
written by Major Michael Davis O'Donnell
1 January 1970
Dak To, Vietnam
Abu Beacon
Nov 9 2005, 04:50 PM
QUOTE(Sandra @ Nov 8 2005, 11:01 PM)
This thread is intended to honor our veterans as Veterans Day approaches.
This post will serve as a warning to all CGCS members that this is not the place for any negativity about U.S. foreign policy or the war in Iraq. There are thousands of other threads to discuss those issues. If you can't make a positive comment here about these veterans, please put your comment in another thread.
Thank you.
CGCS Administrators
The attached photo was taken on a friendly day during WWII . The photo was taken on the island of Kiriwina, a part of the Trobriand Island group which is located east of New Guinea.
The date was in the spring of 1943. All was quiet that day. The natives on the island were very friendly to the American soldiers. They spoke a sort of pidgin English which is hard to describe, it is sort of a sing song dialect.
In this picture, the native and I are holding a model of a ' waga ', a boat made by the islanders which they used for off shore fishing. These natives are a very small people, just a notch above pygmies which makes me look tall when, in fact, I am a short person, myself, about 5'-7" at that time, and even shorter now.
At the time of the photo I was 20 years old.
The island of Kiriwina was taken by the infantry, I believe in 1942, with no resistance as there were no Japanese troops there. The value to the military of this island was an airstrip used as a staging area for our bombers which went out on bombing runs constantly.
My outfit was a 155MM Coast Artillery Battalion, set up to defend the island against a possible invasion by the Japanese( which never came ). However for several months in 1943-1944, they conducted air raids constantly, mainly against the airstrip, trying to bomb it out of operation. This airstrip was about 2 miles from our gun positions and periodically they would lay a few bombs on us, just to let us know they were aware of our existence.
Tokyo Rose, the English speaking propaganda person, must have liked us because she frequently mentioned us by name on her radio broadcasts, telling us that our camouflage efforts to hide our guns were pathetic and we would soon find out what a real air force was like, etc.etc. She also liked to remind us how much fun our girl friends and wives were having making out with the men that were still in the U.S. I honestly do not remember anyone taking her seriously on that subject, we all knew she was trying to destroy our morale.
Actually, at that time the Japanese Air Force did control the skies, but as time went by, our planes became better and more numerous and the situation changed.
This is just a small sketch of a tiny part of the United States military. In those times, there was a great feeling of pride in being part of a force against a common enemy. We knew our government and the people back home were totally on our side. We had a great president, Franklin D. Roosevelt who leveled with the people who put him in office.
Any comparison between FDR and the one who occupies the same office today can only be a figment of wishful imagination.
A.B.
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...&cmd=si&img=368
EvelyninTexas
Nov 9 2005, 04:51 PM
Just a quick Veteran's Day note to say a special prayer for all the husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, who are serving in Iraq. May they come home soon, all in one piece, especially my son's friend, all of 20 years old, that I kissed good-bye last Sunday at church.
Mac2
Nov 9 2005, 05:01 PM
A salute to Carmen Chiaverini, here on the right, may he rest in peace with honor and now free from the demons of war.
QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Nov 9 2005, 05:50 PM)
The attached photo was taken on a friendly day during WWII . The photo was taken on the island of Kiriwina, a part of the Trobriand Island group which is located east of New Guinea.
The date was in the spring of 1943. All was quiet that day. The natives on the island were very friendly to the American soldiers. They spoke a sort of pidgin English which is hard to describe, it is sort of a sing song dialect.
In this picture, the native and I are holding a model of a ' waga ', a boat made by the islanders which they used for off shore fishing. These natives are a very small people, just a notch above pygmies which makes me look tall when, in fact, I am a short person, myself, about 5'-7" at that time, and even shorter now.
At the time of the photo I was 20 years old.
The island of Kiriwina was taken by the infantry, I believe in 1942, with no resistance as there were no Japanese troops there. The value to the military of this island was an airstrip used as a staging area for our bombers which went out on bombing runs constantly.
My outfit was a 155MM Coast Artillery Battalion, set up to defend the island against a possible invasion by the Japanese( which never came ). However for several months in 1943-1944, they conducted air raids constantly, mainly against the airstrip, trying to bomb it out of operation. This airstrip was about 2 miles from our gun positions and periodically they would lay a few bombs on us, just to let us know they were aware of our existence.
Tokyo Rose, the English speaking propaganda person, must have liked us because she frequently mentioned us by name on her radio broadcasts, telling us that our camouflage efforts to hide our guns were pathetic and we would soon find out what a real air force was like, etc.etc. She also liked to remind us how much fun our girl friends and wives were having making out with the men that were still in the U.S. I honestly do not remember anyone taking her seriously on that subject, we all knew she was trying to destroy our morale.
Actually, at that time the Japanese Air Force did control the skies, but as time went by, our planes became better and more numerous and the situation changed.
This is just a small sketch of a tiny part of the United States military. In those times, there was a great feeling of pride in being part of a force against a common enemy. We knew our government and the people back home were totally on our side. We had a great president, Franklin D. Roosevelt who leveled with the people who put him in office.
Any comparison between FDR and the one who occupies the same office today can only be a figment of wishful imagination.
A.B.
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...&cmd=si&img=368Nice hearing your voice again, A.B. What a nice looking young man you were!
Abu Beacon
Nov 9 2005, 06:52 PM
QUOTE(amy @ Nov 9 2005, 06:42 PM)
Nice hearing your voice again, A.B. What a nice looking young man you were!

Thank you, ma'am.
A.B.
TheRestofUs
Nov 9 2005, 06:59 PM
I thank you all from the bottom of my heart, for my life, and safety!

My 13 year old son wrote this poem to honor our veterans and those who are actively serving.
His poem is one of 17 that were chosen (out of several hundred) by his Middle School to be read at their Veterans' Day Assembly. His school is also planting two spruce trees to honor members of our military. His poem expresses the symbolism of these spruce trees. A time capsule with these poems will be buried next to the newly planted trees.
Veteran's Day
We have this day
For those who fought strong
In all the painful wars
That lasted so long
They risked their lives
Never surrendered to fear
All for us
And their families, so dear
So we place this memorial
And plant these spruce trees
To honor and thank them
For their hard work over seas
The roots are the soldiers
Who have passed away
The trunk represents
Those who are still serving us today
The outstreatched branches
Are those who someday will be
Here to protect us
And keep us free
Veteran's day must not be forgotten
I will always remember what the soldiers have done
From their strength and courage
We have our freedoms, hard won.
QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Nov 9 2005, 07:52 PM)
You're very welcome! My observation in no way implied you are not still a very nice looking man!
Abu Beacon
Nov 10 2005, 03:54 AM
QUOTE(amy @ Nov 9 2005, 09:32 PM)

My 13 year old son wrote this poem to honor our veterans and those who are actively serving.
His poem is one of 17 that were chosen (out of several hundred) by his Middle School to be read at their Veterans' Day Assembly. His school is also planting two spruce trees to honor members of our military. His poem expresses the symbolism of these spruce trees. A time capsule with these poems will be buried next to the newly planted trees.
Veteran's Day
We have this day
For those who fought strong
In all the painful wars
That lasted so long
They risked their lives
Never surrendered to fear
All for us
And their families, so dear
So we place this memorial
And plant these spruce trees
To honor and thank them
For their hard work over seas
The roots are the soldiers
Who have passed away
The trunk represents
Those who are still serving us today
The outstreatched branches
Are those who someday will be
Here to protect us
And keep us free
Veteran's day must not be forgotten
I will always remember what the soldiers have done
From their strength and courage
We have our freedoms, hard won.
Amy -----
You have a son to ve very proud of. Not only for his ability to compose a wonderful poem but for the thoughts and feelings that were behind his words.
Tell him for me that he has the admiration of one old soldier. ( and probably many, many more )
A.B.
Livyjr
Nov 10 2005, 07:39 AM
QUOTE(amy @ Nov 9 2005, 08:32 PM)
Veteran's Day
We have this day
For those who fought strong
In all the painful wars
That lasted so long
They risked their lives
Never surrendered to fear
All for us
And their families, so dear
So we place this memorial
And plant these spruce trees
To honor and thank them
For their hard work over seas
The roots are the soldiers
Who have passed away
The trunk represents
Those who are still serving us today
The outstreatched branches
Are those who someday will be
Here to protect us
And keep us free
Veteran's day must not be forgotten
I will always remember what the soldiers have done
From their strength and courage
We have our freedoms, hard won.
To Steve Belsly, and Jack Apodaca, and all the thousands who are now the roots of that tree - SALUTE
flydangler
Nov 10 2005, 10:13 AM
To absent friends!
amy
Nov 10 2005, 10:22 AM

I found this on the internet.
You Can't Tell a Vet Just By Looking
He is the cop on the beat who spent six months in Saudi Arabia sweating two gallons a day making sure the armored personnel carrier didn't run out of fuel.
He is the barroom loudmouth whose behavior is outweighed in the cosmic scales by four hours of unparalleled bravery near the 38th Parallel in Korea.
She is the nurse who fought against futility in Da Nang and went to sleep sobbing every night for two solid years.
He is the POW who left one person and came back another.
He is the drill instructor who has never been in combat, but has saved countless lives by turning no-accounts into Marines.
He is the parade-riding legionnaire who pins on his ribbons and medals with a prosthetic hand.
He is the white-haired guy bagging groceries at the supermarket, aggravatingly slow, who helped liberate a Nazi death camp.
A vet is an ordinary and extraordinary human being — someone who offered his life's vital years in the service of his country.
He is a soldier and a savior and a sword against the darkness, and nothing more than the finest, greatest testimony on behalf of the finest, greatest nation ever known. We will never be able to repay the debt of gratitude we owe.
AFTERGLOW
Nov 10 2005, 05:12 PM
This is animated with audio... It is WELL WORTH THE TIME it takes to watch it!
cardinal
Nov 10 2005, 08:57 PM
Thank you Vets
For my father and 2 uncles - WW2, North Africa, Europe and Korean Conflict - Army
For my husband and son-in-law - Marines
For my four nephews - Army - Panama, Gulf 1, Gulf2
For my friends and classmates - who served in Nam
For my cousins - Air Force and Navy
For my friends that served here at CGCS
We Support U
Frenchy
Nov 11 2005, 01:12 AM
My thoughts now are of my dad. He's been gone now for 11 years, but I was proud to be his son. He was a sterling member of that "Greatest Generation", And like many of them, spoke little of his service to his country.
He entered the Navy about one year before the attack on Pearl Harbor. He was at Guantanamo
at the time of the news, and his ship was under way within hours. He spent 3 1/2 years in the South Pacific before multiple bouts of devastating Malaria force him stateside. During that time though he served with both the 3rd. and 1st. Marines as a Pharmacist Mate. He was part of the initial landing at Guadalcanal with the 1st.
The men and women of his era were a special lot. Service to country was expected and rarely questioned. My mom was a "Rosy the Riveter" working in an ordinance factory near St. Louis.
The strong traditional values were passed down to us kids, and we in turn to our kids.
The only time I saw my dad cry was when I told him that I was going to Vietnam...He knew things that I didn't at the time. Like him, I grew up quick.
He’s buried at the family plot in St. Louis along with many others of my family that have served all the way back to the Civil War. This will be the first year I won’t be there.
flydangler
Nov 11 2005, 03:10 AM
On this Veteran's Day I wanted to post somethin' special for all my old shipmates, livin' and otherwise. 'Tis the Navy Hymn, but if you pay attention to the words (which methinks few do) you'll find all facets of the uniformed services are covered. On this day think 'bout it, and those 'tis for, eh?
Eternal Father, Strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bid'st the mighty Ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
O hear us when we cry to thee,
for those in peril on the sea.
Eternal Father, grant, we pray
To all Marines, both night and day,
The courage, honor, strength, and skill
Their land to serve, thy law fulfill;
Be thou the shield forevermore
From every peril to the Corps.
Lord, stand beside the men who build
And give them courage, strength, and skill.
O grant them peace of heart and mind,
And comfort loved ones left behind.
Lord, hear our prayer for all Seabees,
Where'er they be on land or sea.
Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
Through the great spaces in the sky,
Be with them always in the air,
In dark'ning storms or sunlight fair.
O, Hear us when we lift our prayer,
For those in peril in the air.
Lord God, our power evermore,
Who arm doth reach the ocean floor,
Dive with our men beneath the sea;
Traverse the depths protectively.
O hear us when we pray, and keep
them safe from peril in the deep.
O God, protect the women who,
in service, faith in thee renew;
O guide devoted hands of skill
And bless their work within thy will;
Inspire their lives that they may be
Examples fair on land and sea.
Creator, Father, who dost show
Thy splendor in the ice and snow,
Bless those who toil in summer light
And through the cold Antarctic night,
As they thy frozen wonders learn;
Bless those who wait for their return.
Eternal Father, Lord of hosts,
Watch o'er the men who guard our coasts.
Protect them from the raging seas
And give them light and life and peace.
Grant them from thy great throne above
The shield and shelter of thy love.
Eternal Father, King of birth,
Who didst create the heaven and earth,
And bid the planets and the sun
Their own appointed orbits run;
O hear us when we seek they grace
For those who soar through outer space.
Creator, Father, who first breathed
In us the life that we received,
By power of they breath restore
The ill, and men with wounds of war.
Bless those who give their healing care,
That life and laughter all may share
God, who dost still the restless foam,
Protect the ones we love at home.
Provide that they should always be
By thine own grace both safe and free.
O Father, hear us when we pray
For those we love so far away.
Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
And those who on the ocean ply;
Be with our troops upon the land,
And all who for their country stand:
Be with these guardians day and night
And may their trust be in they might.
O Christ! Whose voice the waters heard
And hushed their raging at Thy word,
Who walked'st on the foaming deep,
and calm amidst its rage didst sleep;
Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea!
Most Holy spirit! Who didst brood
Upon the chaos dark and rude,
And bid its angry tumult cease,
And give, for wild confusion, peace;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea!
O Trinity of love and power!
Our brethren shield in danger's hour;
From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
Protect them wheresoe'er they go;
Thus evermore shall rise to Thee,
Glad hymns of praise from land and sea.
AFTERGLOW
Nov 11 2005, 08:01 AM
QUOTE(flydangler @ Nov 11 2005, 02:10 AM)
On this Veteran's Day I wanted to post somethin' special for all my old shipmates, livin' and otherwise. 'Tis the Navy Hymn, but if you pay attention to the words (which methinks few do) you'll find all facets of the uniformed services are covered. On this day think 'bout it, and those 'tis for, eh?
Eternal Father, Strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bid'st the mighty Ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
O hear us when we cry to thee,
for those in peril on the sea.
Eternal Father, grant, we pray
To all Marines, both night and day,
The courage, honor, strength, and skill
Their land to serve, thy law fulfill;
Be thou the shield forevermore
From every peril to the Corps.
Lord, stand beside the men who build
And give them courage, strength, and skill.
O grant them peace of heart and mind,
And comfort loved ones left behind.
Lord, hear our prayer for all Seabees,
Where'er they be on land or sea.
Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
Through the great spaces in the sky,
Be with them always in the air,
In dark'ning storms or sunlight fair.
O, Hear us when we lift our prayer,
For those in peril in the air.
Lord God, our power evermore,
Who arm doth reach the ocean floor,
Dive with our men beneath the sea;
Traverse the depths protectively.
O hear us when we pray, and keep
them safe from peril in the deep.
O God, protect the women who,
in service, faith in thee renew;
O guide devoted hands of skill
And bless their work within thy will;
Inspire their lives that they may be
Examples fair on land and sea.
Creator, Father, who dost show
Thy splendor in the ice and snow,
Bless those who toil in summer light
And through the cold Antarctic night,
As they thy frozen wonders learn;
Bless those who wait for their return.
Eternal Father, Lord of hosts,
Watch o'er the men who guard our coasts.
Protect them from the raging seas
And give them light and life and peace.
Grant them from thy great throne above
The shield and shelter of thy love.
Eternal Father, King of birth,
Who didst create the heaven and earth,
And bid the planets and the sun
Their own appointed orbits run;
O hear us when we seek they grace
For those who soar through outer space.
Creator, Father, who first breathed
In us the life that we received,
By power of they breath restore
The ill, and men with wounds of war.
Bless those who give their healing care,
That life and laughter all may share
God, who dost still the restless foam,
Protect the ones we love at home.
Provide that they should always be
By thine own grace both safe and free.
O Father, hear us when we pray
For those we love so far away.
Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
And those who on the ocean ply;
Be with our troops upon the land,
And all who for their country stand:
Be with these guardians day and night
And may their trust be in they might.
O Christ! Whose voice the waters heard
And hushed their raging at Thy word,
Who walked'st on the foaming deep,
and calm amidst its rage didst sleep;
Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea!
Most Holy spirit! Who didst brood
Upon the chaos dark and rude,
And bid its angry tumult cease,
And give, for wild confusion, peace;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea!
O Trinity of love and power!
Our brethren shield in danger's hour;
From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
Protect them wheresoe'er they go;
Thus evermore shall rise to Thee,
Glad hymns of praise from land and sea.

Thank you, shipmate...
joe e
Pie
Nov 11 2005, 09:06 AM
A Prayer for Veterans Day
On the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, a prayer for our Armed Forces:
Almighty God, we commend to your gracious care and keeping all the men and women of our armed forces at home and abroad (and especially those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan). Defend them day by day with your heavenly grace; strengthen them in their trials and temptations; give them courage to face the perils which beset them; and grant them a sense of your abiding presence wherever they may be; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
- by David
(found on the net)
and I would add, "for all those who came before."
amy
Nov 11 2005, 09:34 AM
The Veterans History Projecthttp://www.loc.gov/vets/The Veterans History Project relies on volunteers to collect and preserve stories of wartime service.
Our primary focus is on first-hand accounts of
U.S. Veterans from the following 20th Century wars:
• World War I (1914-1920)
• World War II (1939-1946)
• Korean War (1950-1955)
• Vietnam War (1961-1975)
• Persian Gulf War (1990-1995)
• Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts (2001-present)
In addition, those U.S. citizen civilians who were actively involved in supporting war efforts (such as war industry workers, USO workers, flight instructors, medical volunteers, etc.) are also invited to share their valuable stories.
How did the Veterans History Project start?
The United States Congress created the Veterans History Project in 2000. The authorizing legislation (Public Law 106-380), sponsored by Representatives Ron Kind, Amo Houghton, and Steny Hoyer in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senators Max Cleland and Chuck Hagel in the U.S. Senate, received unanimous support and was signed into law by President William Jefferson Clinton on October 27, 2000.
The Veterans History Project is made possible by the generous support of the United States Congress.
MushroomCloud
Nov 11 2005, 10:10 AM
From Claire McCaskill for U.S. Senate
Friday, November 11, 2005
Dear Friends,
Veterans Day is a time for us all to remember the tremendous sacrifices made by the brave men and women who have served our country, defending our freedoms and keeping Americans safe at home and abroad. My father served in the United States Army in World War II, and I grew up with a deep appreciation for our country’s military and for all that our service members do each and every day.
I want to take this opportunity to express my sincere gratitude to all Missourians who have served our country and to those who are serving today. By answering the call to duty, you have kept our nation strong. Our nation owes a debt to you.
We must keep our promises to our soldiers when they return home. And we must never forget those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. As a Senator, I will not lose sight of this solemn commitment.
Today, with our armed forces engaged overseas, I urge every Missourian to take a moment and reflect on the difficulties facing our troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other parts of the world. We should also remember the burdens shouldered by the wives, husbands, mothers, fathers and children left at home. Having a family member in harm's way is not easy.
Please take time today to honor our troops both past and present. If you have a family member, a friend or loved one who is a veteran or who is currently serving our country, please thank them for their service. And please say a prayer for the safe return of all our soldiers overseas.
Gratefully,
Claire
FellowDemocrat
Nov 11 2005, 11:06 AM
Happy veterans day all!
I hope the best for all past, present, and future soldiers... especially my friend Brandon Polaro who is a Marine in Iraq right now.
Mac2
Nov 11 2005, 02:48 PM
QUOTE(AFTERGLOW @ Nov 10 2005, 06:12 PM)
This is animated with audio... It is WELL WORTH THE TIME it takes to watch it! Thank you for the post. You made my day,
It was indeed
WELL WORTH THE TIME it takes to watch it![/b][/
AFTERGLOW
Nov 11 2005, 04:32 PM
Know all yea present:
To those who have served, and those who are serving; I thank you, and I salute you. I am proud, humbled, and pleasured to be in your company...
joe e
Abu Beacon
Nov 11 2005, 05:07 PM
QUOTE(AFTERGLOW @ Nov 10 2005, 06:12 PM)
This is animated with audio... It is WELL WORTH THE TIME it takes to watch it! Thank you for a super post.
A.B.
flydangler
Nov 11 2005, 10:46 PM
As this Veteran's Day comes to an end methinks for many so does any thought of those 'twas meant to honor, at least for another year. Maybe, just maybe we can try to get those who tend to sweep veterans out of their thoughts to at least remember those still in need.
Pray for them, ask your elected officials to refrain from the rhetoric and hyperbole they normally use when dealin' with veterans' issues and actually act in a meaningful manner, and keep thinkin' 'bout them once in a while, eh? Just don't forget 'bout them for another year is all I'm really askin' for.
Noonan
Nov 12 2005, 08:45 AM
This is the text of the speech my wife gave as one of the keynote speakers at my school's Veterans' Day ceremony yesterday. It was the first time she has ever spoken in public, she sure was nervous, but the words came deep from the heart.
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Thank you,
Most of you know me as Mrs. [Noonan] and see me around school from time to time. About 5 years, 3 1/2 months ago, most people knew me as SrA [D]. I served for five years in the United States Air Force as an orthotics technician, making braces for injured and disabled airmen and veterans and their families, helping make life easier for those that had been wounded in service to our country, people that broke their leg, or simply people that needed arch supports. Even though I may not agree with the recent events in Iraq, I am very proud to be a US Citizen, and an Air Force Veteran. I am also very proud of what our men and women in uniform have sacrificed in order for us to enjoy the life we lead today.
I come from a family with a long tradition of military service. My grandfather was also in the Air Force; he served during WW2 in the Pacific. His grandfather was a member of the Great White Fleet, sent around the world by Teddy Roosevelt to show the world the United States was a force to be reckoned with. My uncle served in Vietnam. He stepped on a land mine and lost his leg below his knee. My brother-in-law recently returned from a year in Iraq part of the Texas Reserves. My own brother, a diesel mechanic in the air force, served for four months in Iraq as well, and will most likely return there in the future before his time in the Air Force is through. My sister also served in the Air Force as an air traffic controller. She was lucky enough to avoid going to Iraq before she left the Air Force. I have a cousin who is a veteran and served 4 years in the Army and 2 cousins currently serving in the United States Navy.
War has changed all of our lived dramatically. My brother is much more serious and quiet than before he experienced war first hand. He doesn’t like to talk about what he saw, but I know his actions since he has returned make my father cry. My brother-in-law simply says it was the worst experience in his life. They have shown me that war is not glorious. It is not what we see in the movies, no matter how gory it may be to us.
My favorite movie is “Band of Brothers”. It isn’t because of the fighting and gore, but because of the bond that forms between the men. This bond is similar to what I feel for the people I served with during my time in the military. Even though we served during peacetime, I will always remember them. What makes this even more potent to me is that I may never have joined the military.
I never would have imagined going into the military when I was in high school. All I knew was that I didn’t want to live with my parents anymore, and I wanted to get out of [our home town]. Working at Angeli’s wasn’t something I wanted to do my whole life, and working on saving money for college was not as easy as I thought it would be so, college wasn’t for me at the time. My older brother had joined the Air Force and encouraged me that – anything he could do, I could do.
Little did I know that this decision would change my life!
After I joined, one of my sisters did as well. All three of us loved our life in the Air Force, loved the chance to travel and further our education – learning skills we could use in the civilian world if we ever left the military.
I met many people like I see watching the ceremony today: vets from WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama and the first Gulf War. They would tell me stories as I worked on them. I came to learn that, for all of them, the bonds of brother- and sisterhood brought about by war last forever, and even those who did not return after the war remain with them forever. As I mentioned before, what you see in movies is true, but doesn’t tell you the whole story. I did not serve during wartime, but I have seen the effects war has upon our soldiers. There are many of these heroes among us today and living in our community. We owe them a deep debt of gratitude for all they gave up in order for future generations. I know that’s not what they talk about in the foxholes, but its what they were truly fighting for.
After I met my husband and decided to move back home, my past experience in the Air Force continued to open doors for me. Either the job skills I learned, or the mere fact I was a veteran opened doors for me when looking for work. Most recently, I have been able to take college classes as I work towards a degree because of the GI Bill. Wisconsin even goes so far as to reimburse tuition costs for veterans who do well in school. My experiences in the Air Force have made me the person I am today.
Because of my career in the military, I was able to participate in politics and share the stage with John Kerry just last year. I’ve rubbed elbows with people running for Congress, shook hands with state leaders and continue to hear from people around the state that want me to continue to help with one cause or another. People look to me as a leader, knowing that I have had the training provided by my drill instructors during basic, and the officers and NCOs that ‘helped me’ through my years in the Air Force.
I’d like to finish by talking to the students of [this] High School. I have helped my husband send the donated goods you have donated in the past. I’ve seen the outpouring of love you students have for our troops. At my sister’s wedding this past summer, everyone “our age” had served in the military. All the groomsmen there had received care packages from [this] High School. They wanted me to pass along their thanks for making their lives easier. This school may not always get the best coverage from the local media, but the troops your efforts have touched will remember the can of soup, or the pillow, or the letter you wrote, for a long time. The war isn’t over, your friends and neighbors are there now, please continue to bring goods in to help our troops. Write a letter or send an email, chat online; any message from home will mean more to someone than you can understand. If you didn’t notice as you walked into the lecture hall today, the pictures you passed are all people from [here] that have served in wartime. Many of them are not much older than the high school students here today.
What you probably don’t learn about in school is the impact our small town has upon our nation. But in every war this country has fought, [our town] has sent soldiers to fight. The most recent war being fought by our friends today is just the most recent, and I am afraid it will not be the last. It is to these troops, as well as the ones that came before them and are sitting in this room today, that we owe our freedom and gratitude. I ask you today and every day, to keep those that have served our country in wartime – the people sitting around you right now – as well as those in Iraq right now, in your prayers. When you see a vet, please thank them for what you have. Don’t make Veterans’ Day be only on November 11th, let it live throughout the year through you.
Thank you.
Noonan
Nov 12 2005, 09:04 AM
Just a quick follow up to the above. After my wife, our town's mayor spoke. Although we are members of the same church, we didn't know they would both be speaking about such similar topics. He mentioned how our town has deep roots with regards to Veterans' Day. Ike created Veterans' Day in a
letter to someone from my home town. In fact, our football field is named after his son (himself a vet of WW2).
During the last campaign, we heard "Who can ask someone to be the last one to die in a war?" While I acknowledge that others may claim this as their own as well, but my wife's home town, the sister city to where we live now, was also the hometown of Lieutenant Colonel William B. Nolde, who is most commonly cited as the last American combat death in Vietnam, killed by an artillery shell 11 hours before the cease fire took effect.
It is to all the people mentioned in my wife's speech, my uncle, 1LT. Kenneth W, U.S.Army Signal Corps (Vietnam), my high school friend Kris M (Gulf War 1) and the (too many) former students currently in Iraq and Afghanistan, that I continue to make my students and community aware of what has be sacrificed for the freedom they enjoy today.
My wife let me wear her BDU top to school yesterday. We looked at it as my way of honoring her service to our country, and to draw attention of my students to Veterans' Day, since not all classes can attend due to size constraints (we have too many community people in attendance to have the whole school go as well). I also felt as if the fact that I was wearing her top dishonored those that had reason to wear thier VFW hats or fatigues. Every once in a while, one of the old timers would shake my hand and give me a look like I was a member of their club. I had to quickly explain that the shirt wasn't mine, but once I told them why, they still said thank you to me. (BTW, they are still trying to talk my wife into joining the VFW - I know some people reading this will laugh at that.)
There is no way I can say thank you enough for those of you on here that have served.
Noonan
Nov 12 2005, 10:07 AM
After I posted the above, I read the following article in Newsweek.
My WebpageQUOTE
The Wages of War
Old soldiers know the human price of battle. What history teaches us about how vets truly think.
By Jonathan Darman
Newsweek
Nov. 14, 2005 issue - Italy, late May 1944. The Allied Army advanced on Rome and suffered a brutal counterattack. Hunkered down near the beaches of Anzio, a 23-year-old Army private from Oak Ridge, Tenn., sent a despondent letter home. "Take a combination of fear, anger, hunger, thirst, exhaustion, loneliness, homesickness," Paul Curtis wrote to a younger brother who wanted to know about war, "and you might approach the feelings a fellow has." Nothing can ease his depression, not even the prospect that the war might end. He is certain that war will "rise again." After all, he writes, "peace will be settled by men who have never known combat and ... hold no dread of another war for they don't know."
Old soldiers have always led America. They've shown us how to love our country, revere our military and honor our war dead. More softly, they've warned of the dangers of wishing for war. "It is well that war is so terrible," said Robert E. Lee, or else "we should grow too fond of it," and soldiers have echoed him from Antietam to Iraq. Now, as we celebrate another Veterans Day, we welcome home a new generation of soldiers. If history is a guide, only a few of these new veterans will join antiwar movements; most will proudly support their country in any future entanglements it may face. But many of those returning from Afghanistan and Iraq will doubtless join a tradition of brave veterans who quietly hate war. They can teach us why war is never romantic, but may sometimes be worth fighting all the same.
Fighting soldiers fall quickly out of love with war. Living in cramped quarters, stripped of their individuality, they find their youthful dreams of glorious war alien and strange. "I once had a dim notion about the 'romance of a soldier's life'," wrote a Union soldier after the first Battle of Manassas. "I have bravely got over it since." In World War II, "anybody who was involved with killing and being killed was disillusioned from the start," says the war historian Paul Fussell. "You can't go through that kind of combat without becoming disillusioned."
Some veterans voice their feelings clearly. Gen. William T. Sherman's admonition that "war is hell" is often remembered for its irony (Sherman was the cruelest prosecutor of the Civil War in the South). Forgotten is Sherman's audience, a graduating class of military cadets. Seeing hunger for war rising among his listeners, Sherman offered simple advice: "Suppress it." Adults can be equally susceptible to romantic notions of wars. "The intellectual community is apt to say we have to 'do something'," Gen. Colin Powell wrote in 1995. "But in the end, it is the armed forces that bring back the body bags and have to explain why to parents." Some even give up all illusions of noble service. "Never mind about the glory of a uniform," a Korean War veteran wrote to a friend considering enlistment. "There are too many dead & maimed glorious & honour bound boys."
Other old soldiers are always hungry for a fight. Theodore Roosevelt was in love with war when he stormed San Juan Heights and never lost his romantic sense of combat. Even at the death of his son Quentin in World War I, Roosevelt was triumphant: the boy had "had his crowded hour." ("My other boys are just as daring," Roosevelt bragged when responding to a letter of condolence. "If the war lasts, they will all be killed unless they are so crippled as to be sent home.") As a young lieutenant colonel in World War I, George S. Patton came under heavy fire in the St-Mihiel offensive. Remembering his grandfather, a fallen Confederate general, he concluded it was his noble destiny to be "another Patton" who died on the field of war. (He lived and went on to command campaigns on two continents in World War II.)
Other military families are less eager for combat; still, if it's war, their sons will fight. Some think it dangerous to dwell on war's horrors. Man's "destiny is battle," said the thrice-wounded Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. "If it is our business to fight, the book for the army is a war-song, not a hospital-sketch."
Veterans who speak openly of war's evil, though, say honesty can help us in future fights. History may be on their side. Combat had no romance after World War I; a generation had been lost for nothing but the dreams of dead kings. But when darkness fell again in Europe, the weary West stood up to fight in World War II. "We are all conscientious objectors," said the English writer Rupert Croft-Cooke, "and all in the war."
It is the privilege of the old soldier, then, to speak realistically of war, and idealistically of peace. Another privilege: speaking for those who did not live to speak for themselves. At the end of his letter home, Paul Curtis, the downtrodden Army private, ventured that "all new men" shared his hatred for combat. He wondered if old men felt differently and if someday he would feel differently, too. We cannot know. Three days after writing his letter, Curtis was struck down in combat, just south of Rome.
Noonan
Nov 14 2005, 09:51 PM
I promise I'll let this thread go eventually. This was posted in my local paper. Consider the population in the counties mentioned totals a tad over 100k (total for the three), and the largest cities are only 11k, the impact of 42 KIA in Vietnam was deep. Here's the article:
ByeLines by Larry Ebsch: Veterans Day a time to show respect
Published Monday, November 7, 2005 1:00:44 PM Central Time
There's something about anniversary dates that inspire people like me to remind readers of their happenings. There isn't a day when history doesn't refresh our minds.
I have devoted several columns to World War II because this is the 60th anniversary of its ending (Aug. 14, 1945). The M&M area is well stocked with living veterans who fought in the most catastrophic war in world history, or seniors who grew up during the grueling four-year period and experienced the many hardships required to get through the trial. This year also marks the anniversary of two other shattering conflicts that followed WWII -- the beginning of the Korean War 55 years ago (June 25, 1950), and the 30th year for the largest helicopter evacuation in history at Saigon (April 29, 1975).
The newspaper snapshots and television scenes of U.S. helicopter pilots landing on rooftops of tall buildings to snatch terrified victims from the guns of a brutal enemy at Saigon will forever be etched in our minds. Although the final mission at Saigon rescued more than 7,000 people, the Vietnam peace pacts were signed in Paris Jan. 27, 1973, signaling the end of actual combat operations. The Vietnam War, according to The World Almanac, lasted from Aug., 4, 1967, to Jan. 27, 1973. The Defense Department lists 47,393 combat deaths; 10,800 noncombat deaths, and 153,363 others wounded.
A Menominee soldier was the last warrior to die in the Vietnam fighting. He was Lt. Col. William B. Nolde, a 43-year-old career Army officer who was killed by a North Vietnamese artillery shell 11 hours before the truce. His death occurred at An Loc, located about 60 miles north of Saigon. He was the senior American military adviser in Binh Long Province, and was talking with a Vietnamese soldier when the artillery shell exploded. His passing attracted considerable national press with extensive coverage coming from Michigan newspapers and other state news outlets.
Like most career soldiers, Nolde and his family had lived in various places. His widow, Joyce, and their five children were living in Mount Pleasant, Mich., after Nolde returned to Vietnam for his third tour of duty. He had been an instructor at Central Michigan University. He was buried at Arlington, Va., National Cemetery with full military rites following services at the red brick chapel.
A ROTC scholarship fund at Central Michigan is named in Nolde's honor. Joyce Nolde, who had been residing in Onaway, Mich., died Feb. 15 of this year at age 74. She was buried with her husband at Arlington. Mrs. Nolde had taught school in Newberry and Saginaw.
An honor graduate of Menominee High School (class of 1947), Nolde was the son of Mr. and Mrs. Henry Nolde, one of eight siblings in the family.
I was only two years behind Bill Nolde in high school, but I didn't know the war hero. I was a classmate of his younger sister, Theresa, (Mrs. Kenneth Olsen). However, I interviewed members of the Nolde family and wrote several stories about the Army officer following his death. After digging through my archives at home, I found the 17 pages of notes I took during the interview at Theresa's home on a cold winter day in January, 32 years ago. The soldier's 82-year-old father sat in on the interview.
The horrors of the Vietnam War keep surfacing in our communities and in the national news. I determined that the 30th anniversary of the Saigon rescues was a good time to reflect on the bravery of Lt. Col. Nolde and the many other courageous area men and women who served in the war.
Forty-one of our area's finest humans perished in the war, 20 from Marinette County; 11 from Menominee County, and 10 from Oconto County. Think of the grieving process and the political uproar in our communities today if we counted 41 dead in the war against terrorism. Scores more from our area were wounded in combat, and suffered from sickness or disease, many of them scarred for life. The emotional stress alone continues to haunt many of the veterans.
We read about modern-day warriors returning to Iraq and Afghanistan after already having served there. Nolde left a wife and five children to return a third time. His father questioned him before his departure. The son responded that a personal letter from Gen. William Westmoreland, who commanded forces there for four years, persuaded him to return. He told his father he considered it "an honor" to be invited back. He always kept in close contact with his father, informing him of his military happenings. One of the happier times for the entire Nolde family was when the children honored their parents on their 50th wedding anniversary in 1969.
Nolde, a product of the military draft in the Korean War, was summoned in February 1951 and fought in combat in Korea. Thanks to the ROTC program, he rose through the ranks to become an officer. Nolde had a close call with death several months before his passing when an artillery shell struck near a helicopter as he went to meet Gen. Richard Tillman. The general, 47, was killed.
With rumors swirling about the possible peace treaty, Nolde told family members he hoped to be home within six weeks. An enemy shell dashed his hopes and dreams.
Perhaps Gen. Westmoreland, the man most responsible for Nolde's return to Vietnam a third time, said it best when in part describing men like Nolde and other American soldiers:
"Our troops in Vietnam were excellent. I have nothing but pride in the way they fought in spite of the fact that they did not have enthusiastic support at home."
Friday, Nov. 11, is Veterans Day. It is a day Americans have recognized since 1919 to give our servicemen and women, past and present, a snapping smart salute for dutifully responding to their country's call to arms. If trends mean anything, and history has its way, world wars are perpetual.
Lt. Col. Bill Nolde symbolizes the soldier, sailor, airman or Marine from our small towns who have made America the land of the free because it is the home of the brave. We honor them when they are lowered in their graves and buried in our hearts.
SFC_White
Nov 16 2005, 11:19 PM
Greetings all;
Thanks for the warm thoughts, kind words and memories. I only have time for a quick skim of things on the board these days so don't be put off by my lack of correspondence.
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