On a different thread we started talking about supplies needed for say the bird flu mutates and we have to stay in doors for a month or three and the possibility that stores won't be accessable or electricity goes off

Major hurricane hits again, tornadoes, snow storm, any major event where you may need to stay indoors and just get by and survive for a while

Let's keep this as just as a list of items needed...

I had wrote I already have



Tuna Fish- 80 cans worth (if nothing happens it can always be donated to a shelter)

Bottled water- enough for each member of the family for the amount of time needed

Coleman camp stove and a coleman Heater with plenty of small propane bottles.
Water purification tablets can also be found in the Camping section of most retail stores.

Why is it always "tuna fish"?

Why not cans of soup? Fruit? Vienna sausage? Corned beef hash? etc...

Is there some magic reason tuna fish is the canned food of choice?

The more choices the better
This is for everyone who might want to stock up, no editorial needed

TOILET PAPER
CAT LITTER
Place to dispose of garbage somehow

Fill the bathtubs with water, it can be used to fill the toilet to flush it

There is a link in the bird flu thread to such a list...

but everyone's list is a little personal.

Sunshine doesn't like tuna a lot, and I'm right there with her on that one!

But I'd add medications... it may be hard to stock a supply greater than 30 days, but if you are on any kind of regular or critical med, talk to your doctor... and the list of the meds that you take... and don't forget the usual over-the-counter stuff you need or take regularly...

and a list of all your health care givers, their phones and maybe even fax or e-mail...

and a list of all of your friends, relatives, etc., including phone, e-mail, etc....

and create a "GO" kit... one for everyone... clothing, supplies, water, flashlights, change of clothes, (esp. underwear) , tolietries, etc etc...

and credit cards, and cash... ATM's might be down or low on cash...

and ID. (Not a problem in my case... I have one of the first models
of the brain-chip implant)

If you are on the "go", I'd personally advise against weapons...
but perhaps something small is okay...?

and a cellphone.... (might not work in some scenarios though)...

and a hand-cranked safety radio with news and weather channels....

and a first aid kit...

and masks... (N-95) (not proven superlatively effective, but they have a tendency to help you avoid touching your face with your hands..!!)

and soap.... did I say soap? ....

and maybe some small boxes of laundry supplies...


If you're staying in for 30 days, you're gonna run up a bill trying to stock everything... There's a great "earthquake" planner I can perhaps find which helps you begin to create a stockpile over a period of a year... One thing this week, another next... I think you might find it on some state EM web sites, or FEMA...

oh, and another thing.....

May sure you have some extra wits, and a healthy supply of humor....

Here's a Pretty Cool site I found.
http://www.independencejournal.com/

This site is about what we call exurban living. And just what's that, you might ask? Exurban living is getting along at the edge of the Western resource-intensive lifestyle, while always realizing that the veneer of civility is only as robust our our nation's supply lines of merchandise and oil, and that at any time, any number of threats could push us who have made plans to survive into a rural lifestyle.

This site is not about "bugging out" and setting up a cache in the outback of Idaho (although we admit that's not a bad idea). It's about how anyone, regardless of their living situation, can choose to become more likely to survive than most when whatever comes next shows up in person. If we had postulated a year ago that 300,000 people would be thrust back into the stone age, as forecast by the web bot project over at www.halfpasthuman.com, we would have been labeled nut jobs for sure. But now that it has actually happened, maybe the preparedness people and back to nature types have something going for them after all, eh?

By the same token, when the recent flooding of new Orleans occurred, the inability of government to take care of everyone became abundantly clear. Thus, our philosophy of preparedness and lowered consumption.

Curiously, it's no more expensive to live responsibly than it is to live extravagantly. yes, it does take time to make your own breads and noodles, to tend your own garden, but that's good "head time" - a chance to honor tradition, savor aromas, and to weave our own textures out of the fibers life puts before us.

Elaine and George come to this project from diverse backgrounds: Elaine from the "wilds" of Arizona and George from the central city in Seattle. Each has its strong points.

We hope you enjoy the site - and if you have any questions, by all means send them along to elaine@ure.net

I still hate the taste of tuna fish.

5 gallon buckets for waste disposal (available at home supply stores)
wet wipes
toilet paper/paper towels/tissue

plastic bags of all sizes (ZipLock now makes carry bags 2x2.7ft and 2x1.7ft which are great for
storage, keeping things dry, or evacuating quickly)

hand operated can opener

land line phone which needs no power ($10 at Radio Shack)

viral lotion for hands- or viral wipes

string/bungee cords/ tape

bug spray
sunscreen

empty milk cartons (rinse thoroughly, dry, store for filling with water if necessary)

vitamins

juices

power bars

pets: 'pee pads" are available at large pet stores

batteries, batteries, batteries
flashlights, flashlights, flashlights

small battery operated fans

small battery operated television

one out of state/area contact who can let other know you are alright

bleach (lots of bleach for disinfecting, and in case of flood for controlling mold)

a large plastic tarp (use for tenting shelter; covering roof damage; etc)

And y'all don't show up in farm country thinking the farmer don't mind you picking his corn.

ASK FIRST.

I don't know too many farmers which would let you starve and would probably give you something better to eat than field corn. That is unless you tell them you are a great admirer of Jane Fonda then all bets are off.

Some sage advice, Marine. Echoing well the words of my brother-in-law,
who is also a farmer.

Don't forget everything you need for oral hygeine, a gum infection can run you down over time and create a substantially elevated risk of heart attack.

Also if there isn't a medical reason you can't use it a supply of aspirin.

Keep a supply of spices, it'll allow you to create variety, a big mental boost and they're light and small.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060616/ap_on_...HE0BHNlYwN0bWE-




Agency: Cities not prepared for disasters
By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press WriterFri Jun 16, 6:32 PM ET

New Orleans is still woefully unprepared for catastrophes 10 months after Hurricane Katrina, and the two cities attacked on 9/11 don't meet all guidelines for responding to major disasters, a federal security analysis concluded Friday.

Ten states were rated in a Homeland Security Department scorecard as having sufficient disaster response plans. But the analysis found the vast majority of America's states, cities and territories still are far from ready for terror attacks, huge natural disasters or other wide-reaching emergencies.

"Frankly, we just have not in this country put the premium on our level of catastrophe planning that is necessary to be ready for those wide-scale events," Homeland Security Undersecretary George Foresman told reporters.

City and state plans for emergencies like localized fires, floods and tornadoes "are good, they're robust," Foresman said. But plans for catastrophes "are not going to support us as they should."

President Bush ordered the review of emergency response plans in a visit to New Orleans last Sept. 15, weeks after Katrina ravaged the city. It is based on a complicated scorecard for each of the 50 states, 75 major cities and six U.S. territories that rates plans for evacuations, medical care, sheltering of victims, public alerts and other emergency priorities.

The tepid ratings gave fodder to state and local officials who have hammered Homeland Security for cutting their emergency response funding. And the ratings may oversimplify security gaps that can't be measured in a one-size-fits-all formula.

"You really have to look at each state individually and how they're prepared for the emergencies that their experts anticipate," said Jeff Welsh, spokesman for Maryland's emergency management agency. "It's a snapshot of the country as a whole, and to have an honest, realistic assessment of a single state you have to look at that single state."

Foresman said the results highlight disparate and disconnected emergency plans in the absence of national preparedness standards. "This is not something that is a grand surprise — it has simply put documented numbers on what we intuitively knew in the post-9/11 era," he said.

Bright spots in the analysis were 10 states with response plans that Homeland Security deemed "sufficient" — the highest rating. Those states are: Florida, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, New York, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Vermont. It also found that 18 hurricane-prone states, from Maine to Texas, appeared to be better prepared for disasters than the rest of the country.

Florida, accustomed to being whipped with hurricane winds, was the only state assessed as ready in all nine categories of catastrophe planning. But state emergency manager Craig Fugate said he wasn't that interested in the rankings.

"All this is nice, but the bottom line is we have to continue to strive to get better," Fugate said. "Is it going to change anything that we're doing? No."

By comparison, Louisiana's plans were deemed "insufficient" as the state continues to grapple with devastation from hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Similarly, New Orleans' plan received the lowest ranking possible, with only 4 percent of preparedness measures meeting federal standards first outlined in this scorecard.

New Orleans emergency preparedness director Chief Joseph Matthews said the city has been working with Homeland Security to develop "a sound evacuation plan." The city learned "real-time lessons as a result of Hurricane Katrina, and we are working hard to put those into practice," Matthews said in a statement.

In New York and Washington, al-Qaida's targets on Sept. 11, 2001, the analysis found lukewarm results.

The majority of the preparations for both cities were described as only partially sufficient by the department. Those ratings came two weeks after top New York and Washington officials complained bitterly that Homeland Security cut their federal aid for emergency responders this year.

"If we ever needed proof of the hypocrisy of the Department of Homeland Security, we just got it," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y. "Today they say that New York, despite the efforts of the mayor and the city, is still not adequately prepared for disasters including terrorism, and yet they dramatically shortchanged our funding. They are not even reading their own reports."

Foresman said there was no connection between the emergency plan analysis and the department's grants. But he noted that while Homeland Security has sent $18 billion to spur state and local preparedness since 9/11, "very little of it has gone to planning, training and exercise."

The scorecard was compiled by teams of former state and local emergency response directors over six months.

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On the Net:

Homeland Security Department: http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/

I have been sitting on this link for a while and it's just now dawned on me that while i'm thinking about it I should post it. There are several detailed plans on this site that show you how to make a solar oven. From pizza boxes to high tech models........................... most people could find something here they could build.

http://solarcooking.org/plans.htm

"Tin Foil" ................it's not just for conspiracy theories any more.