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rox63
This is the result of abstinence-only education. It's not stopping teens from having sex. It's only preventing them from knowing about birth control and safer sex.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/.../090104748.html

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Ohio High School Has 64 Pregnant Students

By CONNIE MABIN
ASSOCIATED PRESS

CANTON, Ohio (AP) - Thirteen percent of the female students at Timken Senior High School in Ohio are pregnant. High school senior Monica Selby thought she would be busy this year planning for college, not preparing for the birth of her first child.

"I've been crying every day and every night. I keep on blaming myself for this," said the 18-year-old Selby, who is six months pregnant.

She cries about starting classes this week at Timken Senior High School with a bulging belly, about the emotions of planning an adoption, about becoming part of a statistic that has snagged the nation's attention: 64 of Timken's 490 female students - 13 percent - are pregnant.

The statistic at the school in the heart of this old steel city contrasts with a decade of declining teen pregnancy rates nationwide. But teen pregnancy experts say the problem is not exclusive to Timken High.

Experts, parents and students themselves struggle to explain why such pockets of high teen pregancy rates appear. Are teens getting appropriate sex education? Do they have access to birth control and are they using it consistently? Has the stigma of unwed motherhood lost its edge?

"This might be a school that is forthright with its problems while others are not," said Jay Green, chairman of the Education Reform department at the University of Arkansas. "But this is a widespread issue."

Green wrote a study last year for the conservative New York-based Manhattan Institute for Policy Research that found 20 percent of urban teenagers have been pregnant, compared with 14 percent of suburban teens.

Urban teens as a whole don't use birth control as consistently or often, according to his research, and often have less to lose financially and socially than those in the suburbs.

But Green couldn't say whether those factors applied to Timken. The school of about 1,000 students draws teens from across the neighborhood and economic lines in the state's ninth largest city.

Eric Wilson, 18, who works at a hot dog shop a few blocks from the school while making plans to get his GED and caring for his 2-year-old son, said the spotlight on Timken is magnifying an old problem.

"My mom had a kid when she was in school and now I have a kid," he said. "It goes back to how you were raised. Down here, it's not looked too down upon because a lot of parents had kids when they were kids."

Last school year, both high schools in the city's district reported 55 pregnancies. Ninety-nine pregnancies are expected in the district this year, most of them at Timken, where expecting students get six weeks of maternity leave.

"This has gotten to horrible proportions. I wish I knew the answer to why it's happening," principal Kim Redmond told the city's daily newspaper The Repository. Redmond did not return several messages left by The Associated Press.

Joanne Hinton, whose 16-year-old daughter, Raechel Hinton, is eight months pregnant, said she believes the school's abstinence-based sex education program isn't enough.

"It's time to take the blinders off and realize that these kids are having sex," she said. "Obviously, abstinence is not working. If we have to, just give them condoms."

Abstinence-based programs have been growing nationwide at schools over the past few years. In Ohio, the Bush's administration and the state's health department have awarded $32 million in grants to Ohio agencies for abstinence education since 2001.

Hinton stresses that she doesn't condone teenage sex and that her daughter doesn't fit the mold some may think pregnant teens come from: The Hinton household has two loving parents with a strong relationship who asked the straight-A Raechel "45 times a week if she was having sex, doing drugs, drinking. We were constantly checking on her."

Raechel, who plans to return to the 10th grade at Timken after delivering and completing an adoption, said many students are sexually active and need more information about birth control.

"It can happen to anybody no matter who you are, not just bad girls," she said.
graham4anything
Oh no, now Mr. Blackwell is breeding republicans.....(groan)
GOPGuy
QUOTE(rox63 @ Mar 27 2006, 06:51 PM)
This is the result of abstinence-only education. It's not stopping teens from having sex. It's only preventing them from knowing about birth control and safer sex.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/.../090104748.html
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Sorry this is a parental issue not a school one. Its not the responsibility of the schools to teach contraception. In fact their shouldn't be any sex ed other than general health stuff.
Beamer
QUOTE(GOPGuy @ May 7 2006, 05:30 PM)
Sorry this is a parental issue not a school one. Its not the responsibility of the schools to teach contraception. In fact their shouldn't be any sex ed other than general health stuff.
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What if the parents don't do it?

By the way, I had sex education relating to menstruation in Catholic school.
Pie
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"My mom had a kid when she was in school and now I have a kid," he said. "It goes back to how you were raised. Down here, it's not looked too down upon because a lot of parents had kids when they were kids."
I think this statement from the article may be the most telling.

It is not the responsibility of our schools to provide birth control to kids. And every school I am aware of has classes on the basics, plus STDs, means of contraception, etc. And they also try to emphasize abstinence. And if the schools are teaching abstinence, then the kids must at least be aware of the dangers of having unprotected sex.

But it this a parental responsibility and a personal responsibility on the part of the kids having sex.

dennisjames
GOPguy, you don't really live on planet earth do you?
Noonan
Here's a great site for those that feel the family needs to do more. I especially like the scripts for the father to talk to her daughter about sex. blink.gif ermm.gif huh.gif
Eddiejoe
QUOTE(rox63 @ Mar 27 2006, 04:51 PM)
This is the result of abstinence-only education. It's not stopping teens from having sex. It's only preventing them from knowing about birth control and safer sex.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/.../090104748.html
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Canton isn't the only place where teen pregancy is a problem. Warren (near Youngstown) is another one. And there are more still...
Eddiejoe
QUOTE(beamer619 @ May 7 2006, 07:55 PM)
What if the parents don't do it?

By the way, I had sex education relating to menstruation in Catholic school.
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That's the problem. Often the schools get stuck trying to compensate for the failures of parents. Sex ed. is one of them.

I had sex ed in the 5th grade-- just the basic informational stuff. In 5th grade it was more this is where babies come from and this is what changes you can expect your bodies to go through in a few years.

In high school, it was obviousl more more in depth but still informational. The school didn't try to step in and say kids should or shouldn't have sex. They tried to leave that part of the counseling up to the parents. It was more to be aware of the health issues. Which is what I think high school sex ed is like in most public schools.

I still remember the bulletin board title for the STD unit in high school health. The teacher pinned up a couple of bees and birds, and the title (in yellow letters with black borders) was "Bippity boppity bee. Beware of STD". There was actually relevant information posted on the board, but I thought the title was the dumbest thing I had ever seen. I guess it accomplished it's effect in a way, since I still remember the warning to this day. smile.gif
rox63
QUOTE(GOPGuy @ May 7 2006, 09:30 PM)
Sorry this is a parental issue not a school one. Its not the responsibility of the schools to teach contraception. In fact their shouldn't be any sex ed other than general health stuff.
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Yeah, tell them how all the parts work except the naughty bits. That'll get their curiosity going... rolleyes.gif blink.gif
GOPGuy
QUOTE(dennisjames @ May 8 2006, 04:11 PM)
GOPguy, you don't really live on planet earth do you?
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Actually I do. Funny how in the 40s, 50s, we didnt teach this stuff in school and we didn't have these problems. Its not the responsibility of the state to teach this, especially since they aren't adults until 18.
mom2hs2boys
QUOTE(beamer619 @ May 7 2006, 08:55 PM)
What if the parents don't do it?

By the way, I had sex education relating to menstruation in Catholic school.
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The thing is, this starts a nasty slippery slope (and I hate to say, but we're already there). Parents don't do something, the schools take it over, and the uninvolved parents say, "Oh great, one more thing I don't have to do." Instead of doing the job properly themselves (just like any thing - teaching your preschooler the ABC's, for example), they start to blame the school system for not doing a proper job of it. Pretty soon, there will be something else that parents should be doing but aren't. Instead of taking that on as a responsibility, the school system should be saying, "Enough!"

Mom2
bigtom
QUOTE(Noonan @ May 8 2006, 05:06 PM)
Here's a great site for those that feel the family needs to do more. I especially like the scripts for the father to talk to her daughter about sex. blink.gif  ermm.gif  huh.gif
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If I went to that event I'd be more worried about Dobson oogling my daughter! blink.gif
gabriellemy
can't imagine volunteering information to anyone interrogating me constantly '45 times a week' with multiple questions.

perhaps the family lacked ease and trust in their domestic atmosphere?

the daughter ought to have come to them. a reminder twice a year should be enough.

DOH... why not buy condoms to your kid 'just in case'???

doh... doh.gif
Istoodforu
QUOTE(Noonan @ May 8 2006, 04:06 PM)
Here's a great site for those that feel the family needs to do more. I especially like the scripts for the father to talk to her daughter about sex. blink.gif  ermm.gif  huh.gif
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To stimulate class discussion I've done informal "Birds and Bees" surveys to find out from whom college students first learned about sex. The modal response was from a peer the same age or older. Mothers are more likely to have the "birds and bees" discussion with their daughters than sons. Fathers very seldom have the B&B conversation with their sons and least often with their daughters. I suspect the first menstration has a lot to do with mothers talking with daughters, Girls seem to learn a bit earlier than boys.

Sex education falls behind porn for boys. Both genders see sex ed as more focused upon health concerns than upon understanding the sexual relationship.
rox63
QUOTE(GOPGuy @ May 17 2006, 12:32 AM)
Actually I do. Funny how in the 40s, 50s, we didnt teach this stuff in school and we didn't have these problems. Its not the responsibility of the state to teach this, especially since they aren't adults until 18.
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Yes we did have these problems back in those days. My own parents married when my Mom was pregnant. Let's see, Mom & Dad married in mid-April, older brother was born in late-November of the same year, and he was almost 3 weeks late. Do the math. And I know plenty of other 40-somethings whose parents weren't married when they were conceived. It just wasn't publicly acknowledged, that's the only real difference.
Eddiejoe
QUOTE(rox63 @ May 21 2006, 10:32 AM)
Yes we did have these problems back in those days. My own parents married when my Mom was pregnant. Let's see, Mom & Dad married in mid-April, older brother was born in late-November of the same year, and he was almost 3 weeks late. Do the math. And I know plenty of other 40-somethings whose parents weren't married when they were conceived. It just wasn't publicly acknowledged, that's the only real difference.
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Yep, it did happen. My aunt got pregnant in high school-- in 1958
winston smith
QUOTE(GOPGuy @ May 7 2006, 05:30 PM)
Sorry this is a parental issue not a school one. Its not the responsibility of the schools to teach contraception. In fact their shouldn't be any sex ed other than general health stuff.
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And discussing ways to avoid pregnancy isn't part of "... general health stuff..."? blink.gif
GOPGuy
QUOTE(rox63 @ May 21 2006, 12:32 PM)
Yes we did have these problems back in those days. My own parents married when my Mom was pregnant. Let's see, Mom & Dad married in mid-April, older brother was born in late-November of the same year, and he was almost 3 weeks late. Do the math. And I know plenty of other 40-somethings whose parents weren't married when they were conceived. It just wasn't publicly acknowledged, that's the only real difference.
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They have hard statistics on these issues, while of course teens got preg back then, it didn't happen anywhere close to as much as it does today. There will always be teenage pregnancy.
wilson502
QUOTE(GOPGuy @ May 21 2006, 08:16 PM)
They have hard statistics on these issues, while of course teens got preg back then, it didn't happen anywhere close to as much as it does today. There will always be teenage pregnancy.
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Theres also a lot more minorities now then there were back in the 40s and 50s.
Eddiejoe
QUOTE(wilson502 @ May 25 2006, 12:01 PM)
Theres also a lot more minorities now then there were back in the 40s and 50s.
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And your point is?
Desron
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...then the kids must at least be aware of the dangers of having unprotected sex.


There is really no such thing as protected sex. Nothing is 100%.
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