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rox63
A friend of mine noticed that this speech is happening 35 years to the day after Kerry's famous 1971 speech to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, as a young Vietnam War protester. I am planning to attend this event, and I'm looking forward to a barn-burner of a speech. smile.gif

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/corner/april_22_06.html

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April 22nd Faneuil Hall

At 10:30 AM Saturday morning on April 22nd, I will be speaking at Faneuil Hall, and I hope you and your family can join me for a discussion of what is happening to our democracy when dissent - the right of patriotic people to speak out - is under assault.

This is a chance for me to put into context some things I have been thinking about and which have been important to me all my years in public life. There is no better group of people to share them with than loyal friends who have been there with me and my family every step of the way for decades, every time we have needed your help and support.

Massachusetts has a proud tradition of gathering at Faneuil Hall to speak out about freedom and democracy - a tradition as old as our country.

Saturday, April 22nd, I hope to continue that tradition with you in a very personal discussion about the meaning and responsibility of freedom and the enormous challenges our country faces as our soldiers are fighting and dying in a war that has gone off course, with dissent and debate stifled here at home.

This is a critical moment -- a moment that requires each of us to speak out in order to put the country we love back on course.

I hope Saturday April 22nd at Faneuil Hall will be another one of those special moments when we all come together for an important discussion. Thank you for RSVPing today and I look forward to seeing you Saturday.

Sincerely,

John Kerry

P.S. As you know, space can be very limited at Faneuil Hall. Please call as soon you can for Saturday.

RSVP 617 565 8262.

RSPV does not guarantee a seat. First come, first serve. 
real_democrat
QUOTE(rox63 @ Apr 18 2006, 06:18 PM)
A friend of mine noticed that this speech is happening 35 years to the day after Kerry's famous 1971 speech to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, as a young Vietnam War protester. I am planning to attend this event, and I'm looking forward to a barn-burner of a speech. smile.gif

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/corner/april_22_06.html
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I love great speeches, will Kerry be inviting someone who can deliver one?
amy
QUOTE(real_democrat @ Apr 18 2006, 07:48 PM)
I love great speeches, will Kerry be inviting someone who can deliver one?
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Kerry can hold his own. I'm sure he'll do just fine. smile.gif
lenal
Kerry is scheduled to appear on Sunday - This Week, the George Stephanopolos(?)
anchored show. Wonder if C- Span will cover the speech or if that is why K agreed to the appearance following it.

lenal
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Beamer
QUOTE(real_democrat @ Apr 18 2006, 03:48 PM)
I love great speeches, will Kerry be inviting someone who can deliver one?
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You REALLY don't like him, do you RD?
rox63
QUOTE(lenal @ Apr 18 2006, 11:05 PM)
Kerry is scheduled to appear on Sunday - This Week, the George Stephanopolos(?)
anchored show. Wonder if C- Span will cover the speech or if that is why K agreed to the appearance following it.
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I think this is going to be a significant speech. I find the facts of the anniversary date and the location (Faneuil Hall) intriguing. If you would like C-Span to cover the speech, please email them and let them know. smile.gif

A bit about Faneuil Hall:

http://www.theinsider.com/Boston/attractions/2faneuil.htm

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Built in 1742 and given to the town of Boston by French Huguenot merchant Peter Faneuil, the Hall of the same name was a central marketplace offering an open food market on the first floor and a space for open meetings on the second. A fire in 1761 destroyed the original Faneuil Hall, but the building was reconstructed in time to host Samuel Adams and his compatriots as they planned Boston's revolutionary activity; the political maneuverings here earned Faneuil Hall its long-standing nickname, "Cradle of Liberty." Indeed, Faneuil Hall's historical significance has earned it a place as one of the 16 sites that make up Boston's famed Freedom Trail.

By 1805, the Hall had become too small to serve the needs of the city, and Charles Bullfinch, one of America's foremost architects, was commissioned to design the expanded structure that remains virtually unaltered. Though an 1822 city charter ended government by town meeting, Faneuil Hall remained the center of Boston political debate until well into the 1900s. During the 1970s, the building underwent a major internal renovation in order to serve the city as it does today.
Brookie
QUOTE(real_democrat @ Apr 18 2006, 07:48 PM)
I love great speeches, will Kerry be inviting someone who can deliver one?
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Kerry is not the most electrifying speechmaker--I hope it will be a good speech. Do you?

I have been wowed by great speeches Ted Kennedy (dem convention 1980), Jessie Jackson, Mario Cuomo, and recently Al Gore. Ronald Reagan gave a scarily good speech at the 1976 Republican convention and George Bush gave a convincing speech on Iraq right after the 2004 Dem convention (it was all BS of course). In general I try to keep speeches in perspective. I hope this is a good one.
rox63
Apparently, C-Span will be there taping the speech, and will air it on Sunday evening at 7:00 PM EDT.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ress=364x967525
wicheewoman
QUOTE(rox63 @ Apr 19 2006, 03:22 PM)
Apparently, C-Span will be there taping the speech, and will air it on Sunday evening at 7:00 PM EDT.


Thanks for that then, Rox! bigsmile.gif
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(real_democrat @ Apr 18 2006, 03:48 PM)
I love great speeches, will Kerry be inviting someone who can deliver one?
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The point is NOT whether you and I like him.

The point is whether MURRICA likes him.

After all, he didn't beat GW Bush (well, he did, but not by 49 states to 1) in 2004.

And anybody with a pulse should have.
lenal
I subscribe to the C-Span scheduling notices, so will watch closely and if any changes from info here - I will post.

lenal
Brookie
QUOTE(lenal @ Apr 19 2006, 09:12 PM)
I subscribe to the C-Span scheduling notices, so will watch closely and if any changes from info here - I will post.

lenal
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I hope to be able to go to see him in person.

I say I hope because I can never predict what I will be up for doing on a Saturday morning. Will watch on C-Span if not. Thank Lenal.
rox63
The C-Span broadcast might be part of their "Road to the White House" series. So it might be wise to base the scheduling on when that program airs on Sunday evenings.
lenal
The speech is getting some MSM notice!

Saw a "crawler" on either CNN or MSNBC announcing it.

That's progress- hope that indicates they will have coverage too, more likely sending reporters that will offer analysis, or heaven forbid - pick on some trivia to report a la Candy Crowley and green tea.


lenal
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FellowDemocrat
Wasn't Faneuil Hall the place where he originally announced that he was running? Also, wasn't that where he conceded?
lenal
QUOTE(rox63 @ Apr 20 2006, 09:05 AM)
The C-Span broadcast might be part of their "Road to the White House" series. So it might be wise to base the scheduling on when that program airs on Sunday evenings.
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C-Span is still showing George Allen as being scheduled for the "Road to the White House" series.

Looked over on DemocraticDaily but no better info over there either on possible broadcast. There is a text over there.

Did radio cover it?

lenal
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FellowDemocrat
QUOTE(real_democrat @ Apr 18 2006, 05:48 PM)
I love great speeches, will Kerry be inviting someone who can deliver one?
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Me personally, i enjoy listening to him speak. To me, he's a great speaker.

That's just my 2cents.gif. Who the hell cares about that though... i serve no importance... well, besides the fact that i'm only a part of the young generation that will eventually be running this country.

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lenal
I'm feeling frisky today.

So I posted text of Kerry's speech here:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...83&#entry534483

Careful you may be dodging brickbats or friendly fire. And bless you Fellow Democrat!


lenal
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Brookie
QUOTE(lenal @ Apr 22 2006, 03:18 PM)
I'm feeling frisky today.

So I posted text of Kerry's speech here:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...83&#entry534483

Careful you may be dodging brickbats or friendly fire. And bless you Fellow Democrat!
lenal
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It was an excellent event and with very heartfelt speeches. I lost my program and I forget the names of the people other than John Kerry that spoke. The invocation was a Baptist minister. He is a minister in an area of the city hit hard by gun violence this year. He was followed by a young man who has come back from Iraq and is working with Iraq Veterans against the War, then by the wife of John Kerry's commanders (who was killed in Viet Nam), and then Kerry spoke. Rox probably has her program and the names of the other speakers.

Fanueil Hall has so much history and is very intimate. I sat under Gilbert Stuarts big Lansdowne Portrait of George Washington.
lenal
Thanks Brookie for adding the personal touches of your attendance, makes it even more special.


lenal

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graham4anything
2 threads, but nobody put the speech down---Here it is, great speech.


Full transcript of Kerry's speech as prepared for delivery:

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http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Senator_...cheap_0422.html


Thirty-five years ago today, I testified before the Foreign Relations Committee of the United States Senate, and called for an end to the war I had returned from fighting not long before.

It was 1971 – twelve years after the first American died in what was then South Vietnam, seven years after Lyndon Johnson seized on a small and contrived incident in the Tonkin Gulf to launch a full-scale war—and three years after Richard Nixon was elected president on the promise of a secret plan for peace. We didn’t know it at the time, but four more years of the War in Vietnam still lay ahead. These were years in which the Nixon administration lied and broke the law—and claimed it was prolonging war to protect our troops as they withdrew—years that ultimately ended only when politicians in Washington decided they would settle for a “decent interval” between the departure of our forces and the inevitable fall of Saigon.

I know that some active duty service members, some veterans, and certainly some politicians scorned those of us who spoke out, suggesting our actions failed to “support the troops”—which to them meant continuing to support the war, or at least keeping our mouths shut. Indeed, some of those critics said the same thing just two years ago during the presidential campaign.

I have come here today to reaffirm that it was right to dissent in 1971 from a war that was wrong. And to affirm that it is both a right and an obligation for Americans today to disagree with a President who is wrong, a policy that is wrong, and a war in Iraq that weakens the nation.

I believed then, just as I believe now, that the best way to support the troops is to oppose a course that squanders their lives, dishonors their sacrifice, and disserves our people and our principles. When brave patriots suffer and die on the altar of stubborn pride, because of the incompetence and self-deception of mere politicians, then the only patriotic choice is to reclaim the moral authority misused by those entrusted with high office.

I believed then, just as I believe now, that it is profoundly wrong to think that fighting for your country overseas and fighting for your country’s ideals at home are contradictory or even separate duties. They are, in fact, two sides of the very same patriotic coin. And that’s certainly what I felt when I came home from Vietnam convinced that our political leaders were waging war simply to avoid responsibility for the mistakes that doomed our mission in the first place. Indeed, one of the architects of the war, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, confessed in a recent book that he knew victory was no longer a possibility far earlier than 1971.

By then, it was clear to me that hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen—disproportionately poor and minority Americans—were being sent into the valley of the shadow of death for an illusion privately abandoned by the very men in Washington who kept sending them there. All the horrors of a jungle war against an invisible enemy indistinguishable from the people we were supposed to be protecting—all the questions associated with quietly sanctioned violence against entire villages and regions—all the confusion and frustration that came from defending a corrupt regime in Saigon that depended on Americans to do too much of the fighting—all that cried out for dissent, demanded truth, and could not be denied by easy slogans like “peace with honor”—or by the politics of fear and smear. It was time for the truth, and time for it all to end, and my only regret in joining the anti-war movement was that it took so long to succeed—for the truth to prevail, and for America to regain confidence in our own deepest values.

The fissures created by Vietnam have long been stubbornly resistant to closure. But I am proud it was the dissenters—and it was our veterans’ movement—and people like Judy Droz Keyes—who battled not just to end the war but to combat government secrecy and the willful amnesia of a society that did not want to remember its obligations to the soldiers who fought. We fought the forgetting and pushed our nation to confront the war’s surplus of sad legacies—Agent Orange, Amer-Asian orphans, abandoned allies, exiled and imprisoned draft dodgers, doubts about whether all our POWs had come home, and honor at last for those who returned from Vietnam and those who did not. Because we spoke out, the truth was ultimately understood that the faults in Vietnam were those of the war, not the warriors.

Then, and even now, there were many alarmed by dissent—many who thought that staying the course would eventually produce victory—or that admitting the mistake and ending it would embolden our enemies around the world. History disproved them before another decade was gone: Fourteen years elapsed between the first major American commitment of helicopters and pilots to Vietnam and the fall of Saigon. Fourteen years later, the Berlin Wall fell, and with it the Communist threat. You cannot tell me that withdrawing from Vietnam earlier would have changed that outcome.

The lesson here is not that some of us were right about Vietnam, and some of us were wrong. The lesson is that true patriots must defend the right of dissent, and hear the voices of dissenters, especially now, when our leaders have committed us to a pre-emptive “war of choice” that does not involve the defense of our people or our territory against aggressors. The patriotic obligation to speak out becomes even more urgent when politicians refuse to debate their policies or disclose the facts. And even more urgent when they seek, perversely, to use their own military blunders to deflect opposition and answer their own failures with more of the same. Presidents and politicians may worry about losing face, or votes, or legacy; it is time to think about young Americans and innocent civilians who are losing their lives.

This is not the first time in American history when patriotism has been distorted to deflect criticism and mislead the nation.

In the infancy of the Republic, in 1798, Congress enacted the Alien and Sedition Acts to smear Thomas Jefferson and accuse him of treason. Newspapers were shut down, and their editors arrested, including Benjamin Franklin’s grandson. No wonder Thomas Jefferson himself said: “Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism.”

In the Mexican War, a young Congressman named Abraham Lincoln was driven from public life for raising doubts about official claims. And in World War I, America’s values were degraded, not defended, when dissenters were jailed and the teaching of German was banned in public schools in some states. At that time it was apparently sounding German, not looking French, that got you in trouble. And it was panic and prejudice, not true patriotism, that brought the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II—a measure upheld by Supreme Court Justices who did not uphold their oaths to defend the Constitution. We are stronger today because no less a rock-ribbed conservative than Robert Taft — “Mr. Republican” himself — stood up and said at the height of the second World War that, “the maintenance of the right of criticism in the long run will do the country maintaining it a great deal more good than it will do the enemy, and will prevent mistakes which might otherwise occur.”

Even during the Cold War—an undeclared war, and often more a war of nerves and diplomacy than of arms—even the mildest dissenters from official policy were sometimes silenced, blacklisted, or arrested, especially during the McCarthy era of the early 1950s. Indeed, it was only when Joseph McCarthy went through the gates of delirium and began accusing distinguished U.S. diplomats and military leaders of treason that the two parties in Washington and the news media realized the common stake they had in the right to dissent. They stood up to a bully and brought down McCarthyism’s ugly and contrived appeals to a phony form of 100% Americanism.

Dissenters are not always right, but it is always a warning sign when they are accused of unpatriotic sentiments by politicians seeking a safe harbor from debate, from accountability, or from the simple truth.

Truth is the American bottom line. Truth above all is fundamental to who we are. It is no accident that among the first words of the first declaration of our national existence it is proclaimed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident…”.

This hall and this Commonwealth have always been at the forefront of seeking out and living out the truth in the conduct of public life. Here Massachusetts defined human rights by adopting our own Bill of Rights; here we took a stand against slavery, for women’s suffrage and civil rights for all Americans. The bedrock of America’s greatest advances—the foundation of what we know today are defining values—was formed not by cheering on things as they were, but by taking them on and demanding change.

And here and now we must insist again that fidelity, honor, and love of country demand untrammeled debate and open dissent. At no time is that truer than in the midst of a war rooted in deceit and justified by continuing deception. For what is at stake here is nothing less than life itself. As the statesman Edmund Burke once said: “A conscientious man should be cautious how he dealt in blood.”

Think about that now—in a new era that has brought old temptations and tested abiding principles.

America has always embraced the best traditions of civilized conduct toward combatants and non-combatants in war. But today our leaders hold themselves above the law—in the way they not only treat prisoners in Abu Ghraib, but assert unchecked power to spy on American citizens.

America has always rejected war as an instrument of raw power or naked self-interest. We fought when we had to in order to repel grave threats or advance freedom and self-determination in concert with like-minded people everywhere. But our current leadership, for all its rhetoric of freedom and democracy, behaves as though might does make right, enabling us to discard the alliances and institutions that served us so well in the past as nothing more now than impediments to the exercise of unilateral power.

America has always been stronger when we have not only proclaimed free speech, but listened to it. Yes, in every war, there have been those who demand suppression and silencing. And although no one is being jailed today for speaking out against the war in Iraq, the spirit of intolerance for dissent has risen steadily, and the habit of labeling dissenters as unpatriotic has become the common currency of the politicians currently running our country.

Dismissing dissent is not only wrong, but dangerous when America’s leadership is unwilling to admit mistakes, unwilling to engage in honest discussion of the nation’s direction, and unwilling to hold itself accountable for the consequences of decisions made without genuine disclosure, or genuine debate.

In recent weeks, a number of retired high-ranking military leaders, several of whom played key combat or planning roles in Afghanistan and Iraq, have come forward publicly to call for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. And across the administration, from the president on down, we’ve heard these calls dismissed or even attacked as acts of disloyalty, or as threats to civilian control of the armed forces. We have even heard accusations that this dissent gives aid and comfort to the enemy. That is cheap and it is shameful. And once again we have seen personal attacks on the character of those who speak out. How dare those who never wore the uniform in battle attack those who wore it all their lives—and who, retired or not, did not resign their citizenship in order to serve their country.

The former top operating officer at the Pentagon, a Marine Lieutenant General, said “the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions--or bury the results.” It is hard for a career military officer to speak those words. But at a time when the administration cannot let go of the myths and outright lies it broadcast in the rush to war in Iraq, those who know better must speak out.

At a time when mistake after mistake is being compounded by the very civilian leadership in the Pentagon that ignored expert military advice in the invasion and occupation of Iraq, those who understand the price being paid for each mistake by our troops, our country, and Iraq itself must be heard.

Once again we are imprisoned in a failed policy. And once again we are being told that admitting mistakes, not the mistakes themselves, will provide our enemies with an intolerable propaganda victory. Once again we are being told that we have no choice but to stay the course of a failed policy. At a time like this, those who seek to reclaim America’s true character and strength must be respected.

The true defeatists today are not those who call for recognizing the facts on the ground in Iraq. The true defeatists are those who believe America is so weak that it must sacrifice its principles to the pursuit of illusory power.

The true pessimists today are not those who know that America can handle the truth about the Administration’s boastful claim of “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq. The true pessimists are those who cannot accept that America’s power and prestige depend on our credibility at home and around the world. The true pessimists are those who do not understand that fidelity to our principles is as critical to national security as our military power itself.

And the most dangerous defeatists, the most dispiriting pessimists, are those who invoke September 11th to argue that our traditional values are a luxury we can no longer afford.

Let’s call it the Bush-Cheney Doctrine.

According to the Bush-Cheney Doctrine, alliances and international institutions are now disposable—and international institutions are dispensable or even despicable.

According to the Bush-Cheney Doctrine, we cannot foreswear the fool’s gold of information secured by torturing prisoners or creating a shadow justice system with no rules and no transparency.

According to the Bush-Cheney Doctrine, unwarranted secrecy and illegal spying are now absolute imperatives of our national security.

According to the Bush-Cheney Doctrine, those who question the abuse of power question America itself.

According to the Bush-Cheney doctrine, an Administration should be willing to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on the Iraq war, but unwilling to spend a few billion dollars to secure the American ports through which nuclear materials could make their way to terrorist cells.

According to the Bush-Cheney Doctrine, executive powers trump the constitutional doctrine of separation of powers.

According to the Bush-Cheney Doctrine, smearing administration critics is not only permissible, but necessary—and revealing the identity of a CIA agent is an acceptable means to hide the truth.

The raw justification for abandoning so many American traditions exposes the real danger of the Bush-Cheney Doctrine. We all understand we are in a long struggle against jihadist extremism. It does represent a threat to our vital security interests and our values. Even the Bush-Cheney Administration acknowledges this is preeminently an ideological war, but that’s why the Bush-Cheney Doctrine is so ill-equipped to fight and win it.

Our enemies argue that all our claims about advancing universal principles of human rights and mutual respect disguise a raw demand for American dominance. They gain every time we tolerate or cover up abuses of human rights in Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay, or among sectarian militias in Iraq, and especially when we defiantly disdain the rules of international law.

Our enemies argue that our invasion and occupation of Iraq reflect an obsession with oil supplies and commercial opportunities. They gain when our president and vice president, both former oil company executives, continue to pursue an oil-based energy strategy, and provide vast concessions in Iraq to their corporate friends.

And so there’s the crowning irony: the Bush-Cheney Doctrine holds that many of our great traditions cannot be maintained; yet the Bush-Cheney policies, by abandoning those traditions, give Osama bin Laden and his associates exactly what they want and need to reinforce their hate-filled ideology of Islamic solidarity against the western world.

I understand fully that Iraq is not Vietnam, and the war on terrorism is not the Cold War. But in one very crucial respect, we are in the same place now as we were thirty five years ago. When I testified in 1971, I spoke out not just against the war itself, but the blindness and cynicism of political leaders who were sending brave young Americans to be killed or maimed for a mission the leaders themselves no longer believed in.

The War in Vietnam and the War in Iraq are now converging in too many tragic respects.

As in Vietnam, we engaged militarily in Iraq based on official deception.

As in Vietnam, we went into Iraq ostensibly to fight a larger global war under the misperception that the particular theater was just a sideshow, but we soon learned that the particular aspects of the place where we fought mattered more than anything else.

And as in Vietnam, we have stayed and fought and died even though it is time for us to go.

We are now in the third war in Iraq in as many years. The first was against Saddam Hussein and his supposed weapons of mass destruction. The second was against terrorists whom, the administration said, it was better to fight over there than here. Now we find our troops in the middle of an escalating civil war.

Half of the service members listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall died after America’s leaders knew our strategy would not work. It was immoral then and it would be immoral now to engage in the same delusion. We want democracy in Iraq, but Iraqis must want it as much as we do. Our valiant soldiers can’t bring democracy to Iraq if Iraq’s leaders are unwilling themselves to make the compromises that democracy requires.

As our generals have said, the war cannot be won militarily. It must be won politically. No American soldier should be sacrificed because Iraqi politicians refuse to resolve their ethnic and political differences.

Our call to action is clear. Iraqi leaders have responded only to deadlines—a deadline to transfer authority to a provisional government, and a deadline to hold three elections. It was the most intense 11th hour pressure that just pushed aside Prime Minister Jaafari and brought forward a more acceptable candidate. And it will demand deadline toughness to reign in Shiite militias Sunnis say are committing horrific acts of torture every day in Baghdad.

So we must set another deadline to extricate our troops and get Iraq up on its own two feet.

Iraqi politicians should be told that they have until May 15 to deal with these intransigent issues and at last put together an effective unity government or we will immediately withdraw our military. If Iraqis aren’t willing to build a unity government in the five months since the election, they’re probably not willing to build one at all. The civil war will only get worse, and we will have no choice anyway but to leave.

If Iraq’s leaders succeed in putting together a government, then we must agree on another deadline: a schedule for withdrawing American combat forces by year’s end. Doing so will actually empower the new Iraqi leadership, put Iraqis in the position of running their own country and undermine support for the insurgency, which is fueled in large measure by the majority of Iraqis who want us to leave their country.

So now, as in 1971, we are engaged in another fight to live the truth and make our own government accountable. As in 1971, this is another moment when American patriotism demands more dissent and less complacency in the face of bland assurances from those in power.

We must insist now that patriotism does not belong to those who defend a President’s position—it belongs to those who defend their country. Patriotism is not love of power; it is love of country. And sometimes loving your country demands you must tell the truth to power. This is one of those times.

Lives are on the line. Lives have been lost to bad decisions – not decisions that could have gone either way, but decisions that constitute basic negligence and incompetence. And lives continue to be lost because of stubbornness and pride.

We support the troops—the brave men and women who have always protected us and do so today—in part by honoring their service, and in part by making sure they have everything they need both in battle and after they have borne the burden of battle.

But I believe now as strongly and proudly as I did thirty-five years ago that the most important way to support the troops is to tell the truth, and to ensure we do not ask young Americans to die in a cause that falls short of the ideals of this country.

When we protested the war in Vietnam some would weigh in against us saying: “My country right or wrong.” Our response was simple: “Yes, my country right or wrong. When right, keep it right and when wrong, make it right.” And that’s what we must do again today.

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Brookie
Thanks Graham: It was really moving. I hope Rox has the names of the other 3 speakers who were also inspiring. Kerry shut his eyes and barely perceptibly shook his head as the young vet was speaking and I thought he was going to lose it briefly at one point during his speech.

On a lighter note this line was delivered with a little smile.

"At that time it was apparently sounding German, not
looking French, that got you in trouble."
rox63
The minister who offered the opening prayer was the Rev. Dr. John M. Borders III, pastor of the Morning Star Baptist Church, in the Mattapan section of Boston.

The young Iraq war vet who spok next was Captain Jonathan Powers, who now manages a charity called 'War Kids Relief'.

The next speaker was Judith Droz Keyes, the widow of one of Kerry's friends from the Navy (a fellow swift-boat captain), and the president of the Patriot Project.

Then came Kerry.
Pie
Thanks for sharing this, everyone ! smile.gif
rox63
Looks like the C-Span schedule has changed. It currently says his speech will now be broadcast at 10:00 AM EDT, and repeated at 5:00 PM EDT. He's also appearing on ABC's "This Week" with George Snuffalupagous on Sunday morning.
rox63
A few pics from Saturday's event:


This is the minister who opened the event with a prayer.


This is young Captain Jonathan Powers, who spoke out about the 14 months he served in Iraq.


This is Judith Droz Keyes, the widow of one of Kerry's fellow Swift Boat commanders, who was killed in Vietnam.


Here's Kerry, delivering his speech.


Another pic of Kerry during the speech.


Pic of Kerry leaving the hall after the speech.
wicheewoman
He's sooooo photogenic! wub.gif
Thanks for sharing Rox
real_democrat
The local cable news channel has some video from the speech, and commentary from Rappaport, the Repub spokesweasel here in MA.

Kerry looks good saying what he should have said when he was running against Bush, and Rappaport looks like an idiot, spewing the fear mongering that is the only thing the Repubs have left.

You have to scroll down to find it, and the link will not be there for long...

http://www.boston.com/news/necn/
wundermaus
After watching President Kerry's Speech... I was dreaming...

President Gore and Vice President Kerry?

Would Kerry have the patience to wait his turn as President?

They would be an impossible team to beat.

I can dream, can't I?
Brookie
QUOTE(wundermaus @ Apr 23 2006, 12:25 PM)
After watching President Kerry's Speech... I was dreaming...

President Gore and Vice President Kerry?

Would Kerry have the patience to wait his turn as President?

They would be an impossible team to beat.

I can dream, can't I?
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That would be hard to picture politically since Gore chose Lieberman over Kerry for VP in 2000 without calling him. Kerry would have been more than happy with the second spot and he possibly could have headed off major Nader efforts as they are friendly old acquaintances.

Who knows though. Relationships change in politics.
I hope Kerry, Gore, Feingold, Kennedy, Boxer, the congressional Black Caucus, Dean, Obama and all the rest can stick together through the next couple cycles
lenal
Hooray!! At last I get to watch it, now on C-Span, Judy Droz Keyes now at podium so you still have time to tune in - sure wish I could have been there in person.


lenal
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wicheewoman
I watched..he was great! He was relaxed, confident, animated and even paused for the applause lines. clap.gif He's campaiging and told Stephanopolous today, that he's not afraid to challange Hillary.
lenal
The content was excellent as was the delivery and the reception remarkable. A home run for sure!! He knocked it out of the ball park.

Bush/Cheny eat your heart out.


lenal
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wundermaus
QUOTE(lenal @ Apr 23 2006, 04:36 PM)
The content was excellent as was the delivery and the reception remarkable. A home run for sure!! He knocked it out of the ball park.

Bush/Cheny eat your heart out.
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shrub / dick aren't even in the same league...
wundermaus
QUOTE(Brookie @ Apr 23 2006, 02:01 PM)
That would be hard to picture politically since Gore chose Lieberman over Kerry for VP in 2000 without calling him. Kerry would have been more than happy with the second spot and he possibly could have headed off major Nader efforts as they are friendly old acquaintances. 

Who knows though. Relationships change in politics. 
I hope Kerry, Gore, Feingold, Kennedy, Boxer, the congressional Black Caucus, Dean, Obama and all the rest can stick together through the next couple cycles
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Then I sincerely hope Kerry will have the grace and wisdom to see Gore's error as an honest mistake (and for Gore to acknowledge as much), and both rise above it to do what's best for our nation. I am confident that they are strong enough in character that they will.
rox63
QUOTE(wundermaus @ Apr 23 2006, 12:25 PM)
After watching President Kerry's Speech... I was dreaming...

President Gore and Vice President Kerry?

Would Kerry have the patience to wait his turn as President?

They would be an impossible team to beat.

I can dream, can't I?
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That would be a wonderful combination. Both are fantastic, intelligent, eloquent leaders. smile.gif
Brookie
QUOTE(wundermaus @ Apr 23 2006, 08:20 PM)
Then I sincerely hope Kerry will have the grace and wisdom to see Gore's error as an honest mistake (and for Gore to acknowledge as much), and both rise above it to do what's best for our nation. I am confident that they are strong enough in character that they will.
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To bad the Ukrainians can't export a little Orange Revolution our way to put the 2000 and 2004 winners in their rightful places.
Beamer
QUOTE(wicheewoman @ Apr 23 2006, 03:13 PM)
I watched..he was great!  He was relaxed, confident, animated and even paused for the applause lines. clap.gif  He's campaiging and told Stephanopolous today, that he's not afraid to challange Hillary.
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How much leftover money does Kerry have, anybody know?
Brookie
QUOTE(beamer619 @ Apr 25 2006, 12:00 AM)
How much leftover money does Kerry have, anybody know?
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There was a thread several months ago in which Marie and I found wildly differing numbers for leading warchest money among democrats. Mine was from the Boston Globe. I don't remember where hers was from. The only thing they had in common were that Hillary had a substantial lead over everyone else.

This seems a bit off-topic re: a thread on Kerry's recent speech regarding the value of dissent.
rox63
QUOTE(Brookie @ Apr 25 2006, 01:59 PM)
There was a thread several months ago in which Marie and I found wildly differing numbers for leading warchest money among democrats.  Mine was from the Boston Globe.  I don't remember where hers was from. The only thing they had in common were that Hillary had a substantial lead over everyone else. 

This seems a bit off-topic re: a thread on Kerry's recent speech regarding the value of dissent.
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I know he's given quite a bit to Democrats running in 2006, and has also given sizeable donations to the DSCC and DCCC. Some of that money has been from the leftover 2004 campaign cash, and some has been from his "Keeping America's Promise" PAC. The PAC has raised and distributed about $5 million for other Dems running this year.

A lot of people who ask about this money don't realize that Al Gore held on to his leftover 2000 campaign cash (several million $$) until after he announced in late 2003 or early 2004 that he would not run again in 2004. I believe most of it was distributed to the DNC in April of 2004.
Beamer
I'm merely wondering if he would have the cash to challenge Hillary. I read today that one would need to have eight figures a year from now in order to compete with her.
TheRestofUs
I just saw the whole speech last night. It was good. I just want Kerry to acknowledge the Election fraud as well.
rox63
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Apr 25 2006, 04:24 PM)
I just saw the whole speech last night. It was good. I just want Kerry to acknowledge the Election fraud as well.
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He knows about it. He has been working in the background against it. He felt he couldn't be the person to visibly lead the fight, for fear of the issue being dismissed as him just being a sore loser. His legal team was never able to get the proof that would hold up in court. They filed motions to get discovery of the machines and software, and the courts ruled against them. And (believe it or not) he has also been stymied by some of the other Democrats in Congress.
rox63
Excellent column by Bob Herbert:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042506O.shtml

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    35 Years Later
    By Bob Herbert
    The New York Times

    Monday 24 April 2006
    Presidents and politicians may worry about losing face, or losing votes, or losing their legacy; it is time to think about young Americans and innocent civilians who are losing their lives.
    - John Kerry on Iraq
                             
    Boston - Saturday was the 35th anniversary of John Kerry's appearance as a young Vietnam veteran before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. During his testimony, Mr. Kerry called for an end to the war in Vietnam and famously inquired: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

    He marked the occasion Saturday with an important and moving speech before an audience crammed into historic Faneuil Hall. The speech took on even more poignancy as it became known over the weekend that at least eight more American G.I.'s had been killed in Iraq.

    I've felt all along that Democratic politicians, including Senator Kerry, have hurt themselves with their muddled messages on Iraq. Most elected Democrats have been petrified almost to the point of paralysis by their fear of being seen as soft on national security. So they've acquiesced to one degree or another in a war that in their heads and in their hearts they knew was wrong.

    In his speech on Saturday, Senator Kerry, who voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq, gave the impression of a man who had found a voice he'd been seeking through trial and error for a long time, perhaps since that springtime day in Richard Nixon's Washington in 1971.

    "I believed then," he said, "just as I believe now, that the best way to support the troops is to oppose a course that squanders their lives, dishonors their sacrifice and disserves our people and our principles."

    He repeated his call for a complete withdrawal of American combat troops from Iraq by the end of this year, and offered an uncompromising defense of the right of all Americans - including retired generals - to engage in "untrammeled debate and open dissent" on the war.

    "I come here today," he said, "to affirm that it is both a right and an obligation for Americans to disagree with a president who is wrong, a policy that is wrong and a war in Iraq that weakens the nation."

    He described the war as "rooted in deceit and justified by continuing deception." And in a comparison with Vietnam, he said it is time now to get past "the blindness and cynicism" of political leaders who would continue to send "brave young Americans to be killed or maimed" in a war that the country had come to realize was a mistake.

    By the time he testified in 1971, he said, "it was clear to me that hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen - disproportionately poor and minority Americans - were being sent into the valley of the shadow of death for an illusion privately abandoned by the very men who kept sending them there."

    (In a private discussion, Mr. Kerry and I talked about the many thousands of American G.I.'s who were killed in Vietnam after it had become widely known that victory would not be achieved. Barry Zorthian, the public information officer for U.S. forces in Vietnam in the mid-1960's, has noted that American losses nearly doubled between 1969 and the end of the war. He was never convinced, he said, that "those last 25,000 casualties were justified.")

    Mr. Kerry also warned against allowing the war and the fear of terror to change the character of the United States. He received a standing ovation when he said, "The most dangerous defeatists, the most dispiriting pessimists, are those who invoke September 11th to argue that our traditional values are a luxury we can no longer afford."

    In an interview after the speech, I asked Mr. Kerry about the secret prisons being run by the C.I.A. and the practice of extraordinary rendition, in which terror suspects are abducted by the U.S. and sent off to regimes skilled in the art of torture.

    He said he believed these policies were violations of the Geneva Conventions, then added: "But the more important thing is that they are violations of our values, violations of our principles. Who are we to run around the world saying protect the Falun Gong or somebody else's right to speak out, and then we're willing to take people without knowledge of [guilt or] innocence and throw them into torture situations. I think that's reprehensible."
TheRestofUs
QUOTE(rox63 @ Apr 25 2006, 01:57 PM)
He knows about it. He has been working in the background against it. He felt he couldn't be the person to visibly lead the fight, for fear of the issue being dismissed as him just being a sore loser. His legal team was never able to get the proof that would hold up in court. They filed motions to get discovery of the machines and software, and the courts ruled against them. And (believe it or not) he has also been stymied by some of the other Democrats in Congress.
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Did you see Mark Crispin Miller's speech on C-Span recently Rox? He reminds me of Woody Allen, but he gives a compelling arguement for the fraud. He said that Kerry privately acknowledged to him that the election was stolen. However, when he (Mark) said as much publically Kerry's office issued a disclaimer. I remember the flap about that. He said Kerry went further and said his peers in the Senate were in denial. Perhaps the reasons you give for him not wanting to say it out loud are valid, but we must deal with it or we are lost. We have to fight State to State.
graham4anything
QUOTE(rox63 @ Apr 25 2006, 04:57 PM)
He knows about it. He has been working in the background against it. He felt he couldn't be the person to visibly lead the fight, for fear of the issue being dismissed as him just being a sore loser. His legal team was never able to get the proof that would hold up in court. They filed motions to get discovery of the machines and software, and the courts ruled against them. And (believe it or not) he has also been stymied by some of the other Democrats in Congress.
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I believe it.
The Clinton wing of the party who does not want it discussed, because it is in Hillary's interest to not have Bush impeached, and it was in her and Bill's self- interest not to have Gore or Kerry win.
Been saying this for seven years now
rox63
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Apr 25 2006, 05:03 PM)
Did you see Mark Crispin Miller's speech on C-Span recently Rox? He reminds me of Woody Allen, but he gives a compelling arguement for the fraud. He said that Kerry privately acknowledged to him that the election was stolen. However, when he (Mark) said as much publically Kerry's office issued a disclaimer. I remember the flap about that. He said Kerry went further and said his peers in the Senate were in denial. Perhaps the reasons you give for him not wanting to say it out loud are valid, but we must deal with it or we are lost. We have to fight State to State.
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Kerry thought that conversation was off the record. He told Miller that he could not be the person to lead on the issue, for the reasons I mentioned. The fact that the conversation was off the record is the reason that his office denied it completely. Those are the rules of journalism. Journalists don't have the right to quote someone on something said off the record. But they can use it to dig further. Miller broke those rules.
TheRestofUs
QUOTE(rox63 @ Apr 25 2006, 03:29 PM)
Kerry thought that conversation was off the record. He told Miller that he could not be the person to lead on the issue, for the reasons I mentioned. The fact that the conversation was off the record is the reason that his office denied it completely. Those are the rules of journalism. Journalists don't have the right to quote someone on something said off the record. But they can use it to dig further. Miller broke those rules.
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You may be right Rox. I don't really hold it against Kerry. But I can sympathize with Miller's outrage and concern.
rox63
One man can not solve the problem of election fraud, especially if he doesn't have access to the proof that it happened.

BTW, what I said above about Kerry on this subject was taken from reading between the lines of things he has said. He never said those things outright, at least to my knowledge.
graham4anything
QUOTE(rox63 @ Apr 25 2006, 06:37 PM)
One man can not solve the problem of election fraud, especially if he doesn't have access to the proof that it happened.

BTW, what I said above about Kerry on this subject was taken from reading between the lines of things he has said. He never said those things outright, at least to my knowledge.
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Makes me scared this November that 100 percent of the people will vote for democrats, and when the results are announced, 100 percent of the winners will be republicans
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