Some younger Democrats have a silly habit of thinking every Republican is a conservative and every Democrat is a liberal (except Joe Lieberman) and this is not true. Not all Republicans are conservative on every issue and NOT every Republican is evil.
Bipartisanship, is an art. The national GOP has lost sight of that and everything else. But massgop is not the national GOP. I have my issues with massgop, but it does not mean I have those very same issues with every Republican in my state.
I am a liberal and proud of it. Never have taken to caling myself a Progressive. I was never ashamed of being a liberal Democrat.
Full Version: Kerry Healey is NOT Bush/Cheney
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 04:14 AM)
Some younger Democrats have a silly habit of thinking every Republican is a conservative and every Democrat is a liberal (except Joe Lieberman) and this is not true. Not all Republicans are conservative on every issue and NOT every Republican is evil.
Bipartisanship, is an art. The national GOP has lost sight of that and everything else. But massgop is not the national GOP. I have my issues with massgop, but it does not mean I have those very same issues with every Republican in my state.
I am a liberal and proud of it. Never have taken to caling myself a Progressive. I was never ashamed of being a liberal Democrat.
Bipartisanship, is an art. The national GOP has lost sight of that and everything else. But massgop is not the national GOP. I have my issues with massgop, but it does not mean I have those very same issues with every Republican in my state.
I am a liberal and proud of it. Never have taken to caling myself a Progressive. I was never ashamed of being a liberal Democrat.
I don't get your point. Do you support Healey for Governor? Romney sold himself as a moderate when he ran, and that was a bald-faced lie. Healey has the thinnest resume of anyone running for a governorship, with the possible exception of Kinky Friedman in TX. She has accomplished nothing in her role as Lt Gov (which isn't unusual in this state), and she had brought the level of discourse in the race down to the level of fear-mongering and race-baiting.
Though I am a liberal and a Democrat, I actually voted for Weld in 1990. Healey is far less qualified than Weld was. She has spent 4 years as Romney's sidekick, walking a few steps behind him all the way. That's all there is for her experience. She has cut a lot of ribbons and shown up in a ceremonial role for events, while Romney has traveled the country trashing this state, in an effort to appeal to conservatives who might consider him for president in 2008.
Massachusetts has a long history of moderate Republicans. But moderate Republicans are becoming (as my late Dad used to say) "as rare as turkey teeth". Romney certainly wasn't one. Healey might be one, but with the disgusting level she brought this race down to, I have no desire to take a chance on her to find out.
Deval Patrick for Governor!!!
QUOTE(rox63 @ Oct 22 2006, 04:40 AM)
I don't get your point. Do you support Healey for Governor? Romney sold himself as a moderate when he ran, and that was a bald-faced lie. Healey has the thinnest resume of anyone running for a governorship, with the possible exception of Kinky Friedman in TX. She has accomplished nothing in her role as Lt Gov (which isn't unusual in this state), and she had brought the level of discourse in the race down to the level of fear-mongering and race-baiting.
Though I am a liberal and a Democrat, I actually voted for Weld in 1990. Healey is far less qualified than Weld was. She has spent 4 years as Romney's sidekick, walking a few steps behind him all the way. That's all there is for her experience. She has cut a lot of ribbons and shown up in a ceremonial role for events, while Romney has traveled the country trashing this state, in an effort to appeal to conservatives who might consider him for president in 2008.
Massachusetts has a long history of moderate Republicans. But moderate Republicans are becoming (as my late Dad used to say) "as rare as turkey teeth". Romney certainly wasn't one. Healey might be one, but with the disgusting level she brought this race down to, I have no desire to take a chance on her to find out.
Deval Patrick for Governor!!!
New level? Oh come now, the spin is supposed to be over at FOX not here.Though I am a liberal and a Democrat, I actually voted for Weld in 1990. Healey is far less qualified than Weld was. She has spent 4 years as Romney's sidekick, walking a few steps behind him all the way. That's all there is for her experience. She has cut a lot of ribbons and shown up in a ceremonial role for events, while Romney has traveled the country trashing this state, in an effort to appeal to conservatives who might consider him for president in 2008.
Massachusetts has a long history of moderate Republicans. But moderate Republicans are becoming (as my late Dad used to say) "as rare as turkey teeth". Romney certainly wasn't one. Healey might be one, but with the disgusting level she brought this race down to, I have no desire to take a chance on her to find out.
Deval Patrick for Governor!!! Deval has been appointed to so many positions it is no wonder he is upset with being attacked in a general election. If the man can't take the heat he out to leave the kitchen.
race baiting? your charge is scurrilous. or are any blacks and minoroties that support having two parties in power somehow too stupid not to see what you see?
CRYING "race baiting" is an old true and tried method of shifting debate. DEVAL waxed eloquently about his friend: "a convicted rapist and advocated for his release from jail,” - http://news.bostonherald.com/localPolitics...rticleid=163515
but god forbid somebody other than his campmention that he is....ahem....black.
I COULD NEVER SUPPORT A RACIST CANDIDATE. So there!
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Thinnest resume? Oh please, look around the political landscape.
Romney, Romney, Romney...is that all you've got? I despise Mitt Romney on many levels, and I know that Kerry Healey is NO Mitt Romney.
Have you ever met her? Have you ever given her the benefit of the doubt? Have you ever considered what Massachusetts wil become with one party in control?
I was an elected official (City Democratic ward committee member) in my old neighborhood.
I love my party. I am a liberal, but I am principled....
If one pary rule is a corrupting influence on the national level it will surely will be on a state level.
Plus, the last time my party controlled all branches of government it spawned the ris eof the ight wing-nut class here. Before, when we had two party rule, we had a more efficient government with less.
70slib, another Democrat for Kerry Healey....on principle.
btw, Barak comes to twon for Deval....talk about empty suits.
I remember people here discussing Barak as a possible presidential candidate, On what grounds I would ask..
A different kind of leader? LOLOLOL!
I remember people here discussing Barak as a possible presidential candidate, On what grounds I would ask..
A different kind of leader? LOLOLOL!
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/...tion/?page=full
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A GOP convict too
Kerry Healey has tried to help a notorious con, too.
On July 14, she and Governor Mitt Romney signed a proclamation praising Edward J. MacKenzie Jr., a convicted drug dealer who wrote "Street Soldier," a memoir about his life of crime as an enforcer for Whitey Bulger. He later became involved with the Boston Society of the New Jerusalem, which runs the Swedenborgian Church on Bowdoin Street, across from the State House. At one point, its spending drew the interest of state Attorney General Thomas F . Reilly.
But none of that appeared to bother Healey and Romney, who signed a proclamation that reads: "As the director of operations for the Church on the Hill The Boston Society of the New Jerusalem, you have been a leader in sponsoring programs for Boston's youth and senior citizens. Your dedication to the people of Boston is deserving of acknowledgement of all citizens of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts."
A spokesman for the governor's office later said the proclamation was a mistake. Other political figures also made proclamations on behalf of MacKenzie.
FRANK PHILLIPS
Kerry Healey has tried to help a notorious con, too.
On July 14, she and Governor Mitt Romney signed a proclamation praising Edward J. MacKenzie Jr., a convicted drug dealer who wrote "Street Soldier," a memoir about his life of crime as an enforcer for Whitey Bulger. He later became involved with the Boston Society of the New Jerusalem, which runs the Swedenborgian Church on Bowdoin Street, across from the State House. At one point, its spending drew the interest of state Attorney General Thomas F . Reilly.
But none of that appeared to bother Healey and Romney, who signed a proclamation that reads: "As the director of operations for the Church on the Hill The Boston Society of the New Jerusalem, you have been a leader in sponsoring programs for Boston's youth and senior citizens. Your dedication to the people of Boston is deserving of acknowledgement of all citizens of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts."
A spokesman for the governor's office later said the proclamation was a mistake. Other political figures also made proclamations on behalf of MacKenzie.
FRANK PHILLIPS
QUOTE(rox63 @ Oct 22 2006, 04:40 AM)
I don't get your point. Do you support Healey for Governor? Romney sold himself as a moderate when he ran, and that was a bald-faced lie. Healey has the thinnest resume of anyone running for a governorship, with the possible exception of Kinky Friedman in TX. She has accomplished nothing in her role as Lt Gov (which isn't unusual in this state), and she had brought the level of discourse in the race down to the level of fear-mongering and race-baiting.
Though I am a liberal and a Democrat, I actually voted for Weld in 1990. Healey is far less qualified than Weld was. She has spent 4 years as Romney's sidekick, walking a few steps behind him all the way. That's all there is for her experience. She has cut a lot of ribbons and shown up in a ceremonial role for events, while Romney has traveled the country trashing this state, in an effort to appeal to conservatives who might consider him for president in 2008.
Massachusetts has a long history of moderate Republicans. But moderate Republicans are becoming (as my late Dad used to say) "as rare as turkey teeth". Romney certainly wasn't one. Healey might be one, but with the disgusting level she brought this race down to, I have no desire to take a chance on her to find out.
Deval Patrick for Governor!!!
Though I am a liberal and a Democrat, I actually voted for Weld in 1990. Healey is far less qualified than Weld was. She has spent 4 years as Romney's sidekick, walking a few steps behind him all the way. That's all there is for her experience. She has cut a lot of ribbons and shown up in a ceremonial role for events, while Romney has traveled the country trashing this state, in an effort to appeal to conservatives who might consider him for president in 2008.
Massachusetts has a long history of moderate Republicans. But moderate Republicans are becoming (as my late Dad used to say) "as rare as turkey teeth". Romney certainly wasn't one. Healey might be one, but with the disgusting level she brought this race down to, I have no desire to take a chance on her to find out.
Deval Patrick for Governor!!! I have signed myself as ... another Democrat for Kerry Healey...so yep, you can assume I support Kerry for governor. As I backed Clinton but not Gore (in the primary) I dislike Romney and like Kerry Healey.
You backed Weld over the Democratic nominee? Why?
backers of Deval (he gets to stay clean ala the swifties and Bushco) have brought the campaign down. Deval's whining and the heralds' tabloid headlines...which it looks like you are parrotting...are nothing but nonsense. This campaign is hardly all that negative.
In massachusetts and much of the nation, contrary to pouplar belief, politics is a contact sport.
In massachusetts and much of the nation, contrary to pouplar belief, politics is a contact sport.
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 09:31 AM)
Deval has been appointed to so many positions it is no wonder he is upset with being attacked in a general election. If the man can't take the heat he out to leave the kitchen.
As opposed to how many elected offices Healey has held? She couldn't even get elected to the state legislature, despite trying a couple of times. The only way she could get elected was on Mittens' coattails. Without Romney, she's still be up in Pride's crossing, taking care of her 2.3 children, doing whatever "career criminologists" do.
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 09:31 AM)
I COULD NEVER SUPPORT A RACIST CANDIDATE. So there!
Hmm, let's see... Put out fear-mongering ads connecting the accomplished black man to rapists who will sneak up on defenseless white women in deserted garages at night. Nah, nothing racist there... </sarcasm>
Why doesn't she try some positive campaign ads for once? Why doesn't she talk issues? Why do all her reasons why people should vote for her have to do with why they shouldn't elect Patrick? (paraphrasing Deval here) I've watched the debates so far, and she comes off as an expert on answer-avoidance more than anything else? Why have things gotten so much worse under the Romney-Healey administration? Crime is up, poverty is up, jobs and people are leaving the state. That's quite the record to run on, don'tcha think?
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 09:31 AM)
Thinnest resume? Oh please, look around the political landscape.
So, tell us all about her stunning record of achievements? </sound of crickets>
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 09:31 AM)
Romney, Romney, Romney...is that all you've got? I despise Mitt Romney on many levels, and I know that Kerry Healey is NO Mitt Romney.
She was happy enough to ride Romney's coattails to the State House. Hell, she won't even criticize the trash talk that Romney has been spreading about Massachusetts to the rest of the country. Way to help attract people and business to the state, folks.
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 09:31 AM)
Have you ever met her? Have you ever given her the benefit of the doubt?
Can't say that I have. Have you ever met Deval Patrick?
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 09:31 AM)
Have you ever considered what Massachusetts wil become with one party in control?
I was an elected official (City Democratic ward committee member) in my old neighborhood.
I love my party. I am a liberal, but I am principled....
If one pary rule is a corrupting influence on the national level it will surely will be on a state level.
Plus, the last time my party controlled all branches of government it spawned the ris eof the ight wing-nut class here. Before, when we had two party rule, we had a more efficient government with less.
I was an elected official (City Democratic ward committee member) in my old neighborhood.
I love my party. I am a liberal, but I am principled....
If one pary rule is a corrupting influence on the national level it will surely will be on a state level.
Plus, the last time my party controlled all branches of government it spawned the ris eof the ight wing-nut class here. Before, when we had two party rule, we had a more efficient government with less.
I think the way to more balanced politics in this state is with a more balanced legislature, not by the inevitable gridlock that results from the governor and the legislature being constantly at odds with each other. But the people elect the candidates they support to the State House, and they seem to overwhelmingly support Democrats. I am not going to vote for someone I disagree with just for the sake of "balance".
The Romney/Healey administration has been a disaster for Massachusetts. We need to change directions, and I support electing Deval Patrick as a way to do that.
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 10:40 AM)
You backed Weld over the Democratic nominee? Why?
John Silber was/is a scary individual...
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 10:46 AM)
backers of Deval (he gets to stay clean ala the swifties and Bushco) have brought the campaign down. Deval's whining and the heralds' tabloid headlines...which it looks like you are parrotting...are nothing but nonsense. This campaign is hardly all that negative.
In massachusetts and much of the nation, contrary to pouplar belief, politics is a contact sport.
In massachusetts and much of the nation, contrary to pouplar belief, politics is a contact sport.
You read the Herald? No wonder you seem to be uniformed. The Boston Herald features 'Light News - 33% Less Information!' Listen to Howie Carr much? Just for balance, of course...
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 10:46 AM)
In massachusetts and much of the nation, contrary to pouplar belief, politics is a contact sport.
All parties know that politics is a contact sport. Patrick's campaign is highlighting the hopes, the possibilities for Massachusetts. Healey's organization seems to be 95% attack machine, 5% issues.
QUOTE(rox63 @ Oct 22 2006, 08:54 AM)
John Silber was/is a scary individual...
In some ways yes, but party loyalty dictates tough choices. Party loyalty is what ALL candidates ask for after they win a primary.
I liked Weld more than I liked Silber, but I was a bit younger and I think I sat out the vote. If I voted it would have been for Silber.
QUOTE(rox63 @ Oct 22 2006, 08:57 AM)
You read the Herald? No wonder you seem to be uniformed. The Boston Herald features 'Light News - 33% Less Information!' Listen to Howie Carr much? Just for balance, of course...
If you do not read the Herald and you live in the Boston area then you are to be pitied. The Herald is run by conservatives but all it's columnists and reporters are not conservatives.
I can't imagine getting all my local news from only one view point. I grew up in Boston. We had a variety of views and I read them all.
I do not fear reading what others have to say. I have a critical eye and I am not so easily indoctrinated by a news slant.
QUOTE(rox63 @ Oct 22 2006, 08:52 AM)
As opposed to how many elected offices Healey has held? She couldn't even get elected to the state legislature, despite trying a couple of times. The only way she could get elected was on Mittens' coattails. Without Romney, she's still be up in Pride's crossing, taking care of her 2.3 children, doing whatever "career criminologists" do.
Hmm, let's see... Put out fear-mongering ads connecting the accomplished black man to rapists who will sneak up on defenseless white women in deserted garages at night. Nah, nothing racist there... </sarcasm>
Why doesn't she try some positive campaign ads for once? Why doesn't she talk issues? Why do all her reasons why people should vote for her have to do with why they shouldn't elect Patrick? (paraphrasing Deval here) I've watched the debates so far, and she comes off as an expert on answer-avoidance more than anything else? Why have things gotten so much worse under the Romney-Healey administration? Crime is up, poverty is up, jobs and people are leaving the state. That's quite the record to run on, don'tcha think?
So, tell us all about her stunning record of achievements? </sound of crickets>
She was happy enough to ride Romney's coattails to the State House. Hell, she won't even criticize the trash talk that Romney has been spreading about Massachusetts to the rest of the country. Way to help attract people and business to the state, folks.
Can't say that I have. Have you ever met Deval Patrick?
I think the way to more balanced politics in this state is with a more balanced legislature, not by the inevitable gridlock that results from the governor and the legislature being constantly at odds with each other. But the people elect the candidates they support to the State House, and they seem to overwhelmingly support Democrats. I am not going to vote for someone I disagree with just for the sake of "balance".
The Romney/Healey administration has been a disaster for Massachusetts. We need to change directions, and I support electing Deval Patrick as a way to do that.
Hmm, let's see... Put out fear-mongering ads connecting the accomplished black man to rapists who will sneak up on defenseless white women in deserted garages at night. Nah, nothing racist there... </sarcasm>
Why doesn't she try some positive campaign ads for once? Why doesn't she talk issues? Why do all her reasons why people should vote for her have to do with why they shouldn't elect Patrick? (paraphrasing Deval here) I've watched the debates so far, and she comes off as an expert on answer-avoidance more than anything else? Why have things gotten so much worse under the Romney-Healey administration? Crime is up, poverty is up, jobs and people are leaving the state. That's quite the record to run on, don'tcha think?
So, tell us all about her stunning record of achievements? </sound of crickets>
She was happy enough to ride Romney's coattails to the State House. Hell, she won't even criticize the trash talk that Romney has been spreading about Massachusetts to the rest of the country. Way to help attract people and business to the state, folks.
Can't say that I have. Have you ever met Deval Patrick?
I think the way to more balanced politics in this state is with a more balanced legislature, not by the inevitable gridlock that results from the governor and the legislature being constantly at odds with each other. But the people elect the candidates they support to the State House, and they seem to overwhelmingly support Democrats. I am not going to vote for someone I disagree with just for the sake of "balance".
The Romney/Healey administration has been a disaster for Massachusetts. We need to change directions, and I support electing Deval Patrick as a way to do that.
Some times politics may dictate I support those I may disgaree with on some issues. Bipartisanship is a sign of maturity and sanity.
The GOP has gotten ill with power. They have turned a blind eye to bipartisanship. They have become piosoned by talking points and news force fed from vetted sources. If the GOP were full of liberals they would refuse to read a local paper like the Herald.
My LTE's have been printed in bote the Glode & Herald as well as other newspapers.
I would back my open ended view and experience over your selectivity in where you get your news and your belittling of others who have a wider range of information to base their decisions on.
I am a bit shocked and saddened that you showed your hostility towards news the Herald may print. Your stereotype of a Howie Carr reader, representing the readership of the Herald is ignorant and misinformed
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Oct 22 2006, 12:08 PM)
Some times politics may dictate I support those I may disgaree with on some issues. Bipartisanship is a sign of maturity and sanity.
The GOP has gotten ill with power. They have turned a blind eye to bipartisanship. They have become piosoned by talking points and news force fed from vetted sources. If the GOP were full of liberals they would refuse to read a local paper like the Herald.
My LTE's have been printed in bote the Glode & Herald as well as other newspapers.
I would back my open ended view and experience over your selectivity in where you get your news and your belittling of others who have a wider range of information to base their decisions on.
I am a bit shocked and saddened that you showed your hostility towards news the Herald may print. Your stereotype of a Howie Carr reader, representing the readership of the Herald is ignorant and misinformed
The GOP has gotten ill with power. They have turned a blind eye to bipartisanship. They have become piosoned by talking points and news force fed from vetted sources. If the GOP were full of liberals they would refuse to read a local paper like the Herald.
My LTE's have been printed in bote the Glode & Herald as well as other newspapers.
I would back my open ended view and experience over your selectivity in where you get your news and your belittling of others who have a wider range of information to base their decisions on.
I am a bit shocked and saddened that you showed your hostility towards news the Herald may print. Your stereotype of a Howie Carr reader, representing the readership of the Herald is ignorant and misinformed
I don't read the Globe much either, mostly just online. The Herald devotes much more space to sports and classified ads than it does to actual news that affects our lives. I would read it if it was more informative, and if I had the time. When I used to subscribe to the Globe, the week's newspapers would pile up because I never had the chance to read them that fully. Between the full-time job, taking care of my elderly mother, and having an active social life, I have a hard time fitting everything in. So I get much of my news on the radio (NPR is a fave) or online, because I can do other things while getting informed. My decision not to read the Herald has very little to do with ideology or editorial slant. If that were the case, I'd never read my own local paper, which has a very rightward slant.
I've seen the damage the GOP has done to this country over the past decade or so. The party is in the hands of right-wing extremists. Until the reasonable Republicans see fit to sieze their party back from the extremists, I will not support them. I know that Healey is more like those 'reasonable Republicans', and would probably be considered a liberal in a more conservative state. But the administration she's been part of has done it's own share of damage to Massachusetts. I think we need a change. Four Republican adminstrations in a row have brought us to where we are, and it's not a pretty picture.
QUOTE(rox63 @ Oct 22 2006, 10:27 AM)
I don't read the Globe much either, mostly just online. The Herald devotes much more space to sports and classified ads than it does to actual news that affects our lives. I would read it if it was more informative, and if I had the time. When I used to subscribe to the Globe, the week's newspapers would pile up because I never had the chance to read them that fully. Between the full-time job, taking care of my elderly mother, and having an active social life, I have a hard time fitting everything in. So I get much of my news on the radio (NPR is a fave) or online, because I can do other things while getting informed. My decision not to read the Herald has very little to do with ideology or editorial slant. If that were the case, I'd never read my own local paper, which has a very rightward slant.
I've seen the damage the GOP has done to this country over the past decade or so. The party is in the hands of right-wing extremists. Until the reasonable Republicans see fit to sieze their party back from the extremists, I will not support them. I know that Healey is more like those 'reasonable Republicans', and would probably be considered a liberal in a more conservative state. But the administration she's been part of has done it's own share of damage to Massachusetts. I think we need a change. Four Republican adminstrations in a row have brought us to where we are, and it's not a pretty picture.
Fair enough. Then we will agree to disagree. I can live with Deval if he wins. I hope the state can live with the Democrats in control of all the levers. I've seen the damage the GOP has done to this country over the past decade or so. The party is in the hands of right-wing extremists. Until the reasonable Republicans see fit to sieze their party back from the extremists, I will not support them. I know that Healey is more like those 'reasonable Republicans', and would probably be considered a liberal in a more conservative state. But the administration she's been part of has done it's own share of damage to Massachusetts. I think we need a change. Four Republican adminstrations in a row have brought us to where we are, and it's not a pretty picture.
You do realize the Herald has better local (boston area) coverage than the Globe does, don't you?
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