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lenal
Who is going to win? You can watch the game now - this opportunity doesn't come too often. To hear so many of the House members speak out and now the Senate too since they are going to have an attempt tomorrow to vote on what the House almost certainly will pass today.

I see this as a test of whether the people are actually going to finally have an impact on where this matter is going.

I wouldn't miss this for anything, thank heavens for C-Span and C-Span 2.

It is amusing to see the most right wing of the R's maneuver, last nite Steve Buyer got his comeuppance. Rich!!!

The MoveOn org is being lashed at present by Adam Putnam one of the Fl wingers.

Going to be tough to pick the MVP after the fight ends.


http://www.c-span.org/resources/house_feb2007.asp

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Noonan
The vote is taking place right now. The question is how many R's will be voting Yea.
Noonan
Is CSpan counting Lieberman as a D in their tallies? There is one D voting Nay right now.
lenal
The final House vote Ayes 246 -- nays - 182! Yeah "w" is rebuked!! Onward for impeachment for lying to Congress to get a AUMF in the first place>


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QUOTE(Noonan @ Feb 16 2007, 02:07 PM) *
Is CSpan counting Lieberman as a D in their tallies? There is one D voting Nay right now.


Noonan - while surfing between the Senate and House, Leiberman was on Senate floor saying he will vote against the resolution when the Senate attempts to ring it to a vote there tomorrow but the same shenanigans are expected as when the attempt was made to get the Warner et al bill up. The R's will vote en bloc as protest gesture and prevent the matter from getting to the voting status.

I sent Joe a blunt message telling him what my thoughts are on his disloyalty. Also didn't spare words when I messaged Kyl and Flake.

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Noonan
---- YEAS 246 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Altmire
Andrews
Arcuri
Baca
Baldwin
Barrow
Bean
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd (FL)
Boyda (KS)
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carson
Castle
Castor
Chandler
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Coble
Cohen
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Cramer
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Davis, Lincoln
Davis, Tom
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly
Doyle
Duncan
Edwards
Ellison
Ellsworth
Emanuel
Engel
English (PA)
Eshoo
Etheridge
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Giffords
Gilchrest
Gillibrand
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hall (NY)
Hare
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Herseth
Higgins
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hodes
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hoyer
Inglis (SC)
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (NC)
Jones (OH)
Kagen
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Keller
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
Kirk
Klein (FL)
Kucinich
Lampson
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
LaTourette
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Mahoney (FL)
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Matheson
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McNerney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Melancon
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mitchell
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy, Patrick
Murtha
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Peterson (MN)
Petri
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Ramstad
Rangel
Reyes
Rodriguez
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schwartz
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sestak
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Shuler
Sires
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Space
Spratt
Stark
Stupak
Sutton
Tanner
Tauscher
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walsh (NY)
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch (VT)
Wexler
Wilson (OH)
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Yarmuth

---- NAYS 182 ---

Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Bachmann
Bachus
Baker
Barrett (SC)
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehner
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Buchanan
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Buyer
Calvert
Camp (MI)
Campbell (CA)
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Chabot
Cole (OK)
Conaway
Crenshaw
Cubin
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Davis, David
Deal (GA)
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Drake
Dreier
Ehlers
Emerson
Everett
Fallin
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Forbes
Fortenberry
Fossella
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gohmert
Goode
Goodlatte
Granger
Graves
Hall (TX)
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Heller
Hensarling
Herger
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hulshof
Hunter
Issa
Jindal
Johnson, Sam
Jordan
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kline (MN)
Knollenberg
Kuhl (NY)
LaHood
Lamborn
Latham
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lucas
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marshall
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul (TX)
McCotter
McCrery
McHenry
McHugh
McKeon
McMorris Rodgers
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Moran (KS)
Murphy, Tim
Musgrave
Myrick
Neugebauer
Nunes
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (PA)
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Poe
Porter
Price (GA)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Radanovich
Regula
Rehberg
Reichert
Renzi
Reynolds
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Sali
Saxton
Schmidt
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shays
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stearns
Sullivan
Tancredo
Taylor
Terry
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Turner
Walberg
Walden (OR)
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weller
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)

---- NOT VOTING 6 ---

Baird
Boustany
Davis, Jo Ann
Hastert
LoBiondo
Nadler
lenal
The final House vote Ayes 246 -- nays - 182! Yeah "w" is rebuked!! Onward for impeachment for lying to Congress to get a AUMF in the first place>


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lenal
Marshall and Taylor both Southerners - were the two dems against the measure.



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Noonan
QUOTE(lenal @ Feb 16 2007, 02:47 PM) *
Marshall and Taylor both Southerners - were the two dems against the measure.

Thanks!
Noonan
17 Rs voting yes. Petri from WI being one of them.
lenal
Senator Jim Webb now on Senate floor making very strong statements regarding the Iraq mess. Later I will try to find text of his remarks to post.


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No text available yet on Webb's remarks today but one thing within those remarks was his concern about the president's views of what authority he has to attack Iran based on the Iraq AUMF.

http://webb.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=268141

WEBB REPEATS CONCERN ABOUT WHITE HOUSE POSITION ON MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN

Senator Calls for Clear Answer on Administration’s Understanding of 2002 Resolution Authorizing Force in Iraq

Tuesday, January 30, 2007



Washington, D.C. – Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing today, Senator Jim Webb reiterated his strong concern that the Bush Administration deems the 2002 congressional resolution authorizing force in Iraq applicable to Iran.
The concern was underscored by the President’s bellicose comments on NPR yesterday that “If Iran escalates its military action in Iraq to the detriment of our troops and/or innocent Iraqi people, we will respond firmly.”

In a letter sent to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday (below) and a series of tough questions posed to Ambassador John Negroponte today, Senator Webb asked: “Is it the position of this administration that it possesses the authority to take unilateral action against Iran, in the absence of a direct threat, without congressional approval?”

Secretary of State Rice committed at the Foreign Relations Committee hearing on January 11 to provide a written answer to Senator Webb’s question. The Senator has not received a reply.

///

January 29, 2007


The Honorable Condoleezza Rice

Secretary of State

Department of State

2201 C Street, NW

Washington, DC 20520


Dear Secretary Rice:

During your appearance before a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on January 11, 2007, I asked you a question pertaining to the administration’s policy regarding possible military action against Iran. I asked, “Is it the position of this administration that it possesses the authority to take unilateral action against Iran, in the absence of a direct threat, without congressional approval?”

At that time you were loath to discuss questions of presidential authority, but you committed to provide a written answer. Since I have not yet received a reply, the purpose of this letter is to reiterate my interest in your response.

This is, basically, a “yes” or “no” question regarding an urgent matter affecting our nation’s foreign policy. Remarks made by members of this administration strongly suggest that the administration wrongly believes that the 2002 joint resolution authorizing use of force in Iraq can be applied in other instances, such as in the case of Iran. I, as well as the American people, would benefit by fully understanding the administration’s unequivocal response.

I would appreciate your expeditious reply and look forward to discussing this issue with you in the near future.

Sincerely,


James Webb

United States Senator

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Noonan
I saw this live - he's not a stunning speaker, but it was a great speech anyway!
lenal
I predict he is a fast learner, I have noticed improvement in his delivery.


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