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Alaska Resumes Aerial Wolf Hunts
(Anchorage-AP, November 28, 2004 ) —
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Some animal protection groups are howling in anger as Alaska is again allowing hunters to take to the air to hunt wolves.
The state began issuing permits for aerial hunts earlier this month in an effort to protect its moose and caribou populations.

So far, four wolves have been killed. The state hopes hunters will kill about 500 wolves in various parts of Alaska this winter.

However, some animal groups aren't pleased with the plans. One is petitioning the interior secretary to halt the program. Another is organizing a tourism boycott of the state and is staging "howl-in" demonstrations in more than two dozen cities.

(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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http://www.kerwoodwolf.com/STOPAERIALSLAUGHTER.htm

and

http://www.defenders.org/wildlife/wolf/alaska.html
observer
I heard about this while I was in Alaska this summer. Sickening!

Thanks for posting some ideas for what we can do to stop this immoral idiocy.
darkblood
No! Not the wolves! I love my furry friends!
brendan
Here's what I've been thinking about lately: if people around the country could actually witness the brutal killing of a wolf by aerial gunning, I know they would rise up and stand with us against this slaughter. Don't you think?

But the Alaska Board of Game and Governor Frank Murkowski don't want the media to spotlight this carnage. They know that last time the national media covered such wolf atrocities, public outrage caused the barbaric practices to stop.

Your generous support in these past few weeks has enabled Defenders of Wildlife to produce a powerful flash video depicting the horror of aerial gunning, with a strong warning to potential viewers because it graphically shows wolves being killed from airplanes. This video depicts a brutality that can no longer be ignored.

Now we need to spread the word. When people see what's really happening in Alaska, I know they will join us in opposing aerial gunning. I hope we can count on your important help once again.

First, send an email to the major network news shows that you watch. Urge them to send a reporter to Alaska to cover the planned killing of up to 900 wolves from airplanes. (To send an email, see the list of links below).

Second, make whatever year-end contribution you can to help Defenders expand their media, grassroots and legal efforts to stop the aerial assault on wolves. Our goal is to raise $50,000 over the next 72 hours. Your tax-deductible contribution of $25 or more would be invaluable to our efforts. http://www.care2.com/go/z/19937

I can't thank you enough for all you have done to help stop the senseless killing of Alaska's wolves.

- Rebecca,
Care2 and ThePetitionSite team


P.S. Please take a moment to send an email to the major news networks urging them to cover the planned killing of 900 wolves in Alaska. We need to generate as many emails as possible to get their attention. Thank you.

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tnwycked
Ive looked up some information on this, and here is my questions..


Is it the hunting of wolves from the air thats the problem, or is it hunting them period thats the problem, also why do they hunt from the air?, Is there a specific reason?
brendan
QUOTE(tnwycked @ Dec 23 2004, 05:17 PM)
Ive looked up some information on this, and here is my questions..
Is it the hunting of wolves from the air thats the problem, or is it hunting them period thats the problem, also why do they hunt from the air?, Is there a specific reason?
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jeez i don't know maybe the "hunters" need flamethrowers and some grenades too


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tnwycked
QUOTE(brendan @ Dec 23 2004, 05:28 PM)
jeez i don't know maybe the "hunters" need flamethrowers and some grenades too
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Brendan,

Considering your a moderator I would think you would be more helpful when people asked for information regarding a topic, Im not sure if your being sarcastic or you are being humorous, I dont see anything wrong with my questions.

You cant expect people to want to help if no one is willing to explain the situation fully.

Under normal circumstances i would not believe anything should be hunted from the air, but since I dont know the circumstances wether it be for sport, or other reasons I cant make that judgement can I?
brendan
I apologize, I get carried away at times too. I'm only human.

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tnwycked
QUOTE(brendan @ Dec 23 2004, 07:16 PM)
I apologize, I get carried away at times too.  I'm only human.

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We all are human except maybe Bush. smile.gif
clay
QUOTE(brendan @ Dec 23 2004, 05:28 PM)
jeez i don't know maybe the "hunters" need flamethrowers and some grenades too
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I think grenade launchers are legal now. Maybe they need to test them on a live subject.
I bet the NRA approve of the barbaric slaughter cause It makes a good chance to test their new Christmas toys!
noonanda
QUOTE(clay @ Dec 23 2004, 09:20 PM)
I think grenade launchers are legal now. Maybe they need to test them on a live subject.
I bet the NRA approve of the barbaric slaughter cause It makes a good chance to test their new Christmas toys!
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Nope they are still illegal for everyday use, and last time I checked the NRA has never advocated personal possession of grenades or other destructive devices. I am not an NRA member so dont take this as the word of (religious deity of your choice). Unless you have a special license from the BATFE it is illegal for you to own or possess a distructive device like a grenade launcher.

I also wonder why they hunt them from the air. does it maybe have to do with the wolves follow the elk or other migratory animals?
If the wolves are being slaughtered for no purpose and left to waste this is wrong. If it is due to overpopulation issues, I understand why but still disagree on the methods used. Im sure there are hunters who would be willing to help solve any overpopulation/overpredation problems without using a helicopter
Aphrodite_ak
Do any of you actually live in Alaska? Do you understand why they shoot wolves? If not, let me break it down to you. Alot of the towns/villages here in Alaska are very remote, meaning you cannot drive there, you must fly. I'm sure most of you don't know the expense of getting supplies to these towns. You can expect to pay $8-$10 for a small bottle of Tylenol. Many people depend on Moose and Caribou for food, because they cannot afford to have all of their food shipped up there. I'm sure alot of you can't fathom the thought needing to depend on what you can kill in order to eat. But that is a reality for many people here. When the wolves in the state are affecting the numbers of moose and caribou, then there is a risk of people starving. In my opinion, the only places they should not shoot the wolves would be around large cities like Anchorage, Wasilla and Fairbanks. The lessened number of moose would be beneficial to motorists and moose, seeing as there are around 300-400 moose that get killed every year by vehicles. Please understand how different Alaska is and that people's lives are at stake and by trying to save the wolves you are indirectly trying to starve people.
noonanda
QUOTE(Aphrodite_ak @ Jan 21 2005, 05:41 PM)
Do any of you actually live in Alaska?  Do you understand why they shoot wolves?  If not, let me break it down to you.  Alot of the towns/villages here in Alaska are very remote, meaning you cannot drive there, you must fly.  I'm sure most of you don't know the expense of getting supplies to these towns.  You can expect to pay $8-$10 for a small bottle of Tylenol.  Many people depend on Moose and Caribou for food, because they cannot afford to have all of their food shipped up there.  I'm sure alot of you can't fathom the thought needing to depend on what you can kill in order to eat.  But that is a reality for many people here.  When the wolves in the state are affecting the numbers of moose and caribou, then there is a risk of people starving.  In my opinion, the only places they should not shoot the wolves would be around large cities like Anchorage, Wasilla and Fairbanks.  The lessened number of moose would be beneficial to motorists and moose, seeing as there are around 300-400 moose that get killed every year by vehicles.  Please understand how different Alaska is and that people's lives are at stake and by trying to save the wolves you are indirectly trying to starve people.
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I am not saying dont hunt them, Im just wondering why from the air? If it is an overpredation problem then the numbers do need to be controlled
Just Thinking
I thought that perhaps they could shoot them with tranqulizers and then transport them to where they would be useful in keeping nature in balance. I know that there are people that even raise them as pets and also to return them to nature. So why not use these instead, to repopulate the areas where needed. If they are using choppers to get them then they can transport them just as well.
noonanda
QUOTE(Just Thinking @ Jan 28 2005, 12:43 PM)
I thought that perhaps they could shoot them with tranqulizers and then transport them to where they would be useful in keeping nature in balance.  I know that there are people that even raise them as pets and also to return them to nature.  So why not use these instead, to repopulate the areas where needed.  If they are using choppers to get them then they can transport them just as well.
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There is alot that goes into tranqulizing an animal. you have to know its rough weight so you dont overdose it and kill it, nor underdose it and have it wake up pissed off halfway to where you are taking it. Where can we take them??
would you allow them to be released around the town you live in?? Guess what one day your dog might not come home from his bathroom break. I have seen coyotes go after domesticated dogs before, and they aint nothing compared to a wolf. What about the fact that you now cant let your child play in the back yard without constant supervision. A wolf could look at your child as food. Coyote attacks are on the rise for this reason, and mountain lion attacks as well.
People love to think that the animal kingdom is all cute fluffy bunnies and deer and no animals ever die a painful death to starvation, or having a deer die by having its throat ripped out by a wolf or mountain lion.
Just Thinking
A. I already have coyotes.
B. A friend of mine raises Wolves about 5 miles away from me. She brings them over for a visit sometimes. She is one of my nearest neighbors. She rides over on her horse and has some wolves with her when she visits
C. If they would pass the word out there might be takers.
D. I am accustomed to having to tranqualize animals for flying to and from Hawaii and other places when I lived in Hawaii, thus I have a little bit of knowledge of the subject.

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Aphrodite_ak
I've never tried, but I assume it would be difficult to land a plane or helicopter in heavily wooded areas. I don't know, maybe they could tranqulize them, lower a man down to pick up the wolf, cage him, transport him, make sure they get it medical attention, and find a better place for the wolf where he would most likely starve to death anyway and in the process spend thousands of dollars to relocate a wolf. OR.... they can spend pennies on bullets which will have the same outcome. HMMMMM...... you do the math.

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B. A friend of mine raises Wolves about 5 miles away from me. She brings them over for a visit sometimes. She is one of my nearest neighbors. She rides over on her horse and has some wolves with her when she visits


I highly doubt they are purebreed wolves. Wolves are not pets. I've been around some 1/4 and 1/2 breeds, they are vicious animals.


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D. I am accustomed to having to tranqualize animals for flying to and from Hawaii and other places when I lived in Hawaii, thus I have a little bit of knowledge of the subject.



What's your point?
Aphrodite_ak
Wolf-kill efforts proceed for now
JUDGE: Request denied to halt program until May trial.

By JOEL GAY
Anchorage Daily News

Published: February 3rd, 2005
Last Modified: February 3rd, 2005 at 03:41 AM


An Anchorage judge on Wednesday upheld the state's controversial aerial wolf-kill programs, paving the way for private pilots to shoot more than 600 wolves this winter in rural Alaska.

In her decision, Superior Court Judge Sharon Gleason refused to grant an injunction sought by the Connecticut-based group Friends of Animals and six Alaska residents to halt predator-control efforts until their lawsuit against the state goes to trial in May.

The same group of plaintiffs sued the state in 2003, saying the Alaska Board of Game and Alaska Department of Fish and Game hadn't justified the predator-program under guidelines in state law. Gleason denied that request.

The plaintiffs pitched a similar argument last week, saying the Game Board had not determined the necessary harvest and population figures required by state law before predator control can begin.

Gleason found that the plaintiffs had not proven that the figures were invalid and that they would suffer only minor harm if this winter's programs go forward. On the other hand, she wrote, the state demonstrated it would suffer economic harm by stopping the multiyear programs mid-stream and that subsistence users would also be harmed by interrupting the efforts.

You can read the rest of this article at www.adn.com


Why is it that people in Connecticut are fighting this?
noonanda
QUOTE(Aphrodite_ak @ Feb 3 2005, 01:03 PM)
Why is it that people in Connecticut are fighting this?
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Because they dont know what real life is like, We should take these people and drop them off in the area with the wolves, I can see it now

Bill: Hey betty look there is a beautiful wolf. Why dont you try to pet it.

Betty: Ok bill, hi wolf, good boy, im your frieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Bill: why is it attacking you, doesnt it understand we are their Frieeeeeeeeeeeeee aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa oooooooooooooooooooooo

I guess the wolves would eat good if this happened
tnwycked
QUOTE(Aphrodite_ak @ Jan 21 2005, 05:41 PM)
Do any of you actually live in Alaska?  Do you understand why they shoot wolves?  If not, let me break it down to you.  Alot of the towns/villages here in Alaska are very remote, meaning you cannot drive there, you must fly.  I'm sure most of you don't know the expense of getting supplies to these towns.  You can expect to pay $8-$10 for a small bottle of Tylenol.  Many people depend on Moose and Caribou for food, because they cannot afford to have all of their food shipped up there.  I'm sure alot of you can't fathom the thought needing to depend on what you can kill in order to eat.  But that is a reality for many people here.  When the wolves in the state are affecting the numbers of moose and caribou, then there is a risk of people starving.  In my opinion, the only places they should not shoot the wolves would be around large cities like Anchorage, Wasilla and Fairbanks.  The lessened number of moose would be beneficial to motorists and moose, seeing as there are around 300-400 moose that get killed every year by vehicles.  Please understand how different Alaska is and that people's lives are at stake and by trying to save the wolves you are indirectly trying to starve people.
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Thanks for clarifying that, I had read something that made me think that might be the reasoning. And I lived in Fairbanks for 2 years several years ago, but long enough to know that Alaska is very protective of its wildlife so they had to have a good reason for the wolf hunts.

I would like to know why from the air though, I dont understand why they cant ground hunt like they do to control other animal populations that sometimes become a nuisance in one way or the other.
Alexander38
Some of the same disccusions and arguments are used in scandinavia, about weather to hunt the wolf or not. But as an outsider i can't stop picturing mr. Big money saying *Ill give 20k$ and you let me be big brave he-man killing man eating wolfes* several large predators have ended their life and excistence on this planet due to mr he-man, that he is never in any danger is besides the point, he be big, he kills whit impunity!.
Besides Aphrodite, one of the things that the modern hunter has never learned and is not interestet in learning is the culling of the sick and weak, theres no real bragging rights killing a sick moose, and you can't even eat him, so you let him go or kill him for the heck off it.
Wheres in nature said bull would never get a chance to breed, they will now have every chance to do so becourse theres nobody there to eat him nor is there a fit bull to keep him away from the cows, the end result as time goes by is predictable and to deppressing to talk about here.
Aphrodite_ak
QUOTE(Alexander38 @ Feb 6 2005, 08:26 AM)
Some of the same disccusions and arguments are used in scandinavia, about weather to hunt the wolf or not. But as an outsider i can't stop picturing mr. Big money saying *Ill give 20k$ and you let me be big brave he-man killing man eating wolfes* several large predators have ended their life and excistence on this planet due to mr he-man, that he is never in any danger is besides the point, he be big, he kills whit impunity!.
Besides Aphrodite, one of the things that the modern hunter has never learned and is not interestet in learning is the culling of the sick and weak, theres no real bragging rights killing a sick moose, and you can't even eat him, so you let him go or kill him for the heck off it.
Wheres in nature said bull would never get a chance to breed, they will now have every chance to do so becourse theres nobody there to eat him nor is there a fit bull to keep him away from the cows, the end result as time goes by is predictable and to deppressing to talk about here.
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I am having a hard time follwing you. But I will add that any and all moose killed here are eaten and are not killed soley for sport. Moose meat is actually very good. Even the ones that are killed by vehicles are given to the soup kitchens or residents that are on a waiting list.
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