Free Market is to conservatism what Free Love was to liberalism. They both were stupid. Just as Free Love attempted to take financial economics out of the equation, Free Market attempts to take social governing out of the equation. They both ignore the necessary balance of socioeconomics.

Let's here your thoughts. Do you see the fundamental flaws of Free Market and Free Love? If so, which is more flawed? Can anything be free? Is there a perfect balance between the two?

Some individuals and groups who identified with a Liberal political philosophy have also
supported a, "Free Love" psycho-social ideology. Such movements go back to prechristian
times. They have often been also political in rejecting Marriage because of the regulation of
interpersonal relationships by the State or Church. Thus "Free Love" has often been part
of a Libertarian political philosophy. When Liberal is defined as liberated from tradition
sources of Authority and commited to the common good, Liberal could include, "Free Love"
but is not synonomous with it. Being liberated from traditional sources of authority does not
necessarilly mean rejecting all sources of authority. I accept the authority of our social
contracts, The US Constitution and UN Charter.

I suppose you could make a point for free love for singles, although it still seems as though young females who sleep around get labeled as "sluts," no matter what. But free love for marrieds just doesn't work. Territoriality comes into play every time.

Free Love for marrieds seems like a contradiction in terms. The purpose of free love is to elliminate marriage.

Actually, I find the concept of "free love" to be pretty dated. So I guess I'm referring more to "open marriage."

I guess it was before my time. I assumed that Free Love was applied to more than just sex and relationships. I thought it was applied to hippie communities and their willingness to share resources for free. But they may have had a different term for that.

From a social system's perspective, I would look at the two processes of Marketing and
mating. They both have a part-whole relation to social system and both interact with each other
to affect the social system and each other. Since everything that is, is itself and its relation to a larger whole, the notion of getting something for nothing is not meaningful. Terms such as, Free Love
and Free Market are used as rhetorical devices to change attitudes. I think they have little value in
a general semantics sense.(Google general semantics).

Free sex has resulted in a rise in STDs and 14 year old females with cervical cancer. Free love was a good idea as far as ideas go but a ridiculous one as far as reality goes. A good buzz can only last so long and after while people get bored with smoking pot, wearing granola shoes and singing kumbaya. Free markets sound good when the Republicans say it but we all know and fear a stock market crash and the effects of a totally free market on society. On the other hand, too little freedom can kill a person and an economy. I imagine lousy economic policies can have analagous effects on the economy to the cardiovascular effects we see when a person is trapped in a lousy marriage.

Bad Marriages Can Damage the Heart





There must be give and take, flexibility, an ability to honestly look at what's working and what's not and the courage to make changes when changes are necessary.

I'm just a sample of one but my experience confirms your first statement. When I was a young sailor in the far east I had sex several times with young business ladies and never caught
anything. The one time I used my charm and picked up a young lady and had free sex, I caught
gonorrhea.

Kahlil Gibran on Love

When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep.
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
He threshes you to make you naked.
He sifts you to free you from your husks.
He grinds you to whiteness.
He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.

But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love.

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, "I am in the heart of God."
And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
To return home at eventide with gratitude;
And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.


On Marriage
Kahlil Gibran

You were born together, and together you shall be forevermore.
You shall be together when the white wings of death scatter your days.
Ay, you shall be together even in the silent memory of God.
But let there be spaces in your togetherness,
And let the winds of the heavens dance between you.


Love one another, but make not a bond of love:
Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
Fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup.
Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf
Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone,
Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music.


Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping.
For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.
And stand together yet not too near together:
For the pillars of the temple stand apart,
And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow.

OK this is my generation and free love was the introduction of womens freedom. Due to birth control we no longer had to have unwanted children. We could start beleiving that anything we want to be was a reality. Our Bodies our Selves came out and no longer could a doctor tell us that it is common; for women your age or women who have children or until you have a child is a dignosis for real symptoms that were not just in our head. We no longer had to accept a man as the head of household and knowledge became power and having your own money made you independent not a bitch.
Now STDs are on the rise in young people because their age is used as an excuse for lack of knowledge decision making and empowerment. Their god is used as a reason not to provide information and or education on human sexuality and family planning.

Now why I am not a republican because I'm not a chick, I am a person!

This is one of my favorite quotes of all time TRoU.

Thanks, TRoU, for posting Gibran.

A man of great wisdom on many important things.

A Big chunk of Love is, "Organic Connectivity of Personing-in-the-social-system, with a Significant Other. Love is a Verb...Organic...perceived, conceptualized, emotionally charged, with the intention
of facilitateing the positive Self-in-Situation Adaption of the Other...And Acting spontaneously and
gracefully in Helpful ways.

Mammals have the capcity to project Time Backwards and Forwards (within each species,
Individuals vary in their ability to do each of these functions). Humaninoids appear to be considerably advanced in this regard than other species. Every process creates a record
and the process of Love creates the record of our shared relationship with ourselves, with our significant Other and our extended relationships with our individual and combined Significant
Others...Loving is one of our major ways of being plugged in...making connection...